Revolution 250 Podcast
Revolution 250 Podcast
Sarah Bradlee Fulton with Bob Hyldburg
In this episode of the Revolution 250 Podcast, host Robert Allison of Suffolk University speaks with Independent Historian Bob Hyldburg, who is leading the effort to erect a public statue honoring Sarah Bradlee Fulton in Medford.
Sarah Bradlee Fulton emerges as a figure woven through some of the most dramatic moments of the Revolution in Massachusetts. She took part in the Boston Tea Party, helping disguise and equip the participants who struck a symbolic blow against imperial authority. In the bloody aftermath of the Battle of Bunker Hill, she aided wounded Provincial soldiers and assisted families driven from their homes as Boston became an armed camp. Months later, in March 1776, Fulton carried critical intelligence out of British-occupied Boston to the American lines, information that helped secure the fortification of Dorchester Heights and hastened the British evacuation of the city.
This episode invites listeners to reconsider the Revolution not only as a story of famous generals and statesmen, but as a collective struggle sustained by courage, resolve, and individuals like Sarah Bradlee Fulton, whose legacy is finally being brought into view.
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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome to the Revolution Two Fifty
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podcast.
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I'm Bob Allison.
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I chair the Rev Two Fifty Advisory Group.
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We are a consortium of about seventy five
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organizations planning commemorations of
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the beginnings of American independence.
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And my day job,
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I teach history at Suffolk University.
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And our guest today is someone who really
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embodies the idea of celebrating history,
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studying history.
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Bob Hilberg, who comes to us from
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historic Medford.
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And right now he's been heavily involved
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in creating a statue of Sarah Bradley
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Fulton.
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So Bob, thanks so much for joining us.
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Nice to meet you again, Bob.
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We've bumped heads a few times.
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I think I met you over at Excavation
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Day in two thousand sixteen, too.
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Evacuation Day in Dorchester Heights.
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And we also met at the Dilloway Thomas
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House and other places.
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And you are ubiquitous on social media
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with history and other things.
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Enough about us.
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Let's talk about Sarah Bradley Fulton and
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who she was and why you're putting up
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a statue of her.
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Well, I mean,
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the thing about what I like to do
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is tell stories and bring stories to life.
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And especially people that overcome
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resilience.
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And Sarah Bradley Fulton was a mother of
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ten.
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She lost one,
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but nine that went to adulthood.
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And there's a Fulton Heights section of
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Medford.
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There's a Fulton Street.
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So a few years ago,
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I got invited to be in the Bunker
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Hill Parade by Chris Donovan.
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And I meet this woman, Laura Fulton.
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Duggan who was promoting Sarah Bradley
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Fulton.
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We have a Sarah Bradley Fulton Day and
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then we've had five of them right there
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in the Salem Street Burial Ground in
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Medford.
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That's October eighteenth or something.
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Yeah.
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Generally in the middle of October.
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And we have people.
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So I've been a reenactor after I retired
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from working in various fields,
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including fifteen years working for the
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NFL and writing a few books about the
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history of the Boston slash New England
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Patriots team.
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And I said, well,
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let me do something else with the
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storytelling gift.
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I hope that I have.
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And Sarah said, can you be Lafayette?
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Can you be Captain Isaac Hall?
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Can you help us kind of bring some
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life to what's going on in Medford?
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And I said, love to.
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So even though I'm a woman guy now,
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I've been here thirty years and living in.
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My family's house that we've had for
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almost a hundred years.
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I just love history and I love what's
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going on in Boston.
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And certainly with the two-fifty
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celebration of starting this whole
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revolution and the Declaration of
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Independence coming up in July and all the
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stuff that's going on in Boston.
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I'm all in.
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I love this stuff.
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Yeah, this is great.
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And Sarah,
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she lives for ninety five years,
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which is amazing.
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And so what's her role in the Boston
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Tea Party?
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Because she's being billed as the mother
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of the Boston Tea Party.
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Yeah,
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and if you go to the Boston Tea
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Party,
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they actually have a little bit of a
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vignette at the end of that tour where
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she's talking about, you know,
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I have to make this world a better
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place for my kids.
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And it's a little video when she's talking
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to someone who's a Tory, a loyalist,
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and they're like, you know, no,
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we got to do something special.
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We got to really change this world.
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But her brother, Nathaniel Bradley,
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had a home right there in Griffin's Wharf.
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And the idea of the Boston Tea Party,
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you know more about it than probably that
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I do.
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But if you're going to dump tea in
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the harbor,
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you might want to disguise yourself.
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And they actually said I was not there.
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I swear that I was not there.
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That whole story.
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Yeah.
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So the Mohawk Indians was in that vein.
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If you were an Indian,
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they really weren't going to mess with
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you.
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And these ships,
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even though they were owned by local
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people,
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destroying three hundred and forty crates
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of tea,
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really didn't want to be identified.
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So they went over to Nathaniel Bradley's.
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And Sarah was there with her sister Ann,
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and they came up with some ideas that
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they put all kind of soot and blackened
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their faces and kind of gave them some
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rough clothes to look like an Indian.
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And about thirty of them, I guess,
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went on.
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They were well-organized.
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They dumped the tea within a couple hours,
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and everyone was cheering.
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You know the story.
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There's thousands of people that are
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hanging around.
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They go back to town.
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nathaniel's home with sarah and she takes
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some lye soap and washes it all off
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and they disperse into the crowd and they
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didn't know who these people were for yeah
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thirty forty fifty sixty years later yeah
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yeah so she lives yeah yeah yeah she
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should and she lives a long time after
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this is this a story she would tell
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or her children would tell i mean how
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do we know about her role in all
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of this
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I mean, that's part of it, too.
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I mean,
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once the war of eighteen twelve ended and
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things kind of settled down in Boston,
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living to ninety four, you know,
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as you get up in age and you
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where were you?
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Where were you?
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What did you do?
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Those kind of stories came out and there
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were there were some stories and a book
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written about her in the early eighteen
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hundreds about what she did.
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Not only there,
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but being a makeup nurse or Breach Hill
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and Bunker Hill.
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Right.
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All the women were like,
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if you're injured, come on over here.
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So she had a makeshift with some of
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the other women and actually took a bullet
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out of a guy's cheek.
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And many years later,
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he came back and said, hey,
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thanks for sewing that up.
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wow wow well um but the other part
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of it is that not only was the
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mother of boston tea party but she was
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a spy too really um you know the
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women back then they had access and they
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weren't really highly regarded so if you
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were a house cleaner or a cook you
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were sometimes in the british homes
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hearing things and there was a couple
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instances that they
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that she told and maybe through other
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people that was out there that she
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actually rode across the river and had
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different messages in her body or scripted
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or put in different parts of her pockets
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that two o'clock, one o'clock,
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midnight that she rode across the river
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and get that message and then come back
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because her husband, John, had a ship.
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So her husband's ship.
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She was used to being on the boats
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and they were going back and forth to
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either get wood or get different supplies.
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So it wasn't a big deal to see
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activity early in the morning.
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But the British didn't mind that,
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you know,
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they didn't really stop her any time.
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There was one time that the British wanted
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to take the wood away from John Fulton.
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And Sarah said, I don't think so.
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And she grabbed the oxen and moved it
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back.
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And they're like, we'll shoot you.
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And she said, go ahead, shoot me.
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And they didn't, obviously.
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She got the wood and brought it back.
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But it was wood that the...
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militia people need it to keep warm.
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And the British also needed it.
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And so they thought they could just seize
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this cartload of wood.
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And she says, no, no,
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not on my watch.
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Yeah.
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So she was very courageous and that's,
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these are some of the things I like
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to bring out, you know,
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in my retirement now, I'm a,
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I'm kind of a life coach really helping
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people with their confidence and helping
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people, you know,
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be resilient and have a purpose in mind
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and just put your head down and just
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get it done.
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And she's got a lot of those kinds
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of stories that, um,
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if anything ever happened you know this
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could have been some treasonous traitorous
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but they didn't really mind women and
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really pay attention too much to women and
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she took advantage of that yeah she really
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did and she certainly knows her way in
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and out of boston with the you know
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she grew up in dorchester and then you
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know her brother has the carpenter shop
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and you know so she is someone who
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knew how to get in and out of
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town and then
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Mount Vernon has a punch bowl that was
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hers that apparently Washington drank out
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of when he came to see her.
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So after the war, yeah,
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George Washington was here for five days
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and he actually made a trip to her
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house in seventeen eighty nine and thanked
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her for, you know,
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being the person that she was,
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not only with being the nurse and yeah.
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don't think he mentioned too much about
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the tea party but more of just being
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a spy and espionage and really helping
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with the cause and and her relationship
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with uh john brooks who ended up being
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the governor was pretty close because he
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was in medford too so i i know
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that he wanted to get some messages across
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and if a man was doing it they'd
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probably get caught so somehow she said
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i'm in i'm in so he he counted
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on her to really
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get messages across.
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And then when Lafayette came back to town
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in eighteen twenty four,
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he came to Sarah's house as well and
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gave her a pen.
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And the family still has that pin from
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Lafayette.
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So when we erect this statue on April
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twentieth in the city of Medford City Hall
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on the grounds there,
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some of the family from Sarah Bradley
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Fulton is going to be there.
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And
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We actually have a dress that we displayed
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a couple of years ago.
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We've been working on this statue thing
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for about five or six years.
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Where are these Sarah Bradley Fulton
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artifacts, the dress, the pin,
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these other things?
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The pin is with the family.
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The dress was displayed, but it's very,
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very in tough shape.
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So it was at the Medford Library for
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about six months.
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So it's in protected now and it's kind
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of sealed up now.
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But being that old and being that frail,
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but it was displayed for a little bit.
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So with ten children,
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she did leave a lot of descendants who
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are still around in Medford,
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in the Medford area?
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No, they've kind of traveled.
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Some of the people are coming from
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California.
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When we showed the dress, they came out,
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and we had a little ceremony of the
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hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the
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Medford Public Library,
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so they came out for that.
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I don't know that we're gonna show the
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dress anymore.
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But the pin and the ball are pretty
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cool mementos.
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Nevermind some of the books that have
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been,
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some of the stories have been written
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about Sarah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So she has a long life after the
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war.
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She lives into the eighteen thirties.
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And so is her husband still active in
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shipping?
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And what's she doing in those years?
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Yeah, John died before her, obviously,
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her husband.
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But I think most of what her story
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was,
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it's probably similar to Deborah Sampson,
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who has a statue in Sharon,
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is that when they got older,
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they were just telling stories.
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So she probably just sat around telling
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stories and entertaining her grandchildren
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and great-grandchildren.
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Now,
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you think this is really the big event
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of would it be the big event of
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anyone's life?
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And so something that really extraordinary
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happens when she's in her thirties then.
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And she's part of it.
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I mean,
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she's a big part of all of these
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things going on,
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which is it's an amazing story of her
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life.
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Oh, no question.
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And I think, you know,
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I tried to figure out what percentage of
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people were Loyalists or Tories and what
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percentage in Medford.
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And Medford, for the most part,
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if things were going on,
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there's so many people that moved out of
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Boston and moved out of the area that
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there was probably she had a lot of
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support.
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I mean,
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she was someone that really connected with
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people and her husband having a business
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and the relationship with John Brooks.
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Yeah.
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you know, is elevated to become Gavinoz.
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So I'm sure she had a lot of
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people that wanted to hear her story.
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Interesting.
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And Medford, I mean,
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it wasn't just a suburb of Boston.
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I mean, they made bricks,
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they had shipping from Medford.
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So what kind of a town,
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what was the town like at the time
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of the revolution, Bob?
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Well, I mean,
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a little bit later is when, you know,
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Captain Isaac Hall, you know,
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he was part of the,
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The first stop of Paul Revere.
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And they had a rum factory.
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So there was a lot of shipping coming
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up and down the Mystic River.
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So boat activity along the Mystic River in
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Medford, the rum business was a big deal.
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And shipbuilding as well.
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I had forgotten about the rum business
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somehow.
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Medford Rum.
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We're talking with Bob Hilberg,
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who is an historian active in
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Medford's attempt,
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Medford's putting up of a statue of Sarah
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Bradley Fulton on April,
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the mother of the Boston Tea Party,
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really a formidable woman that we're
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learning a little bit more about and her
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life story.
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And what first drew you into wanting to
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understand more about history like this,
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the history in the towns where you are?
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Well, I think growing up, you know,
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when you're in high school,
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you want to if you don't know how
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to make a decision, I always said,
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what would someone else do?
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You know,
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so when I'm learning how to mature and
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I ended up going to Northeastern and
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joining a fraternity and I said, well,
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how do I do this?
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So I looked up Thomas Jefferson and I
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read bio biographies of Ben Franklin and
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Paul Revere.
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So I was always fascinated if I want
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to be a leader, I want to be,
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you know, do something with my life.
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Harry Truman,
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anyone that did something came from
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nothing and really did something with
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life.
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So I was always fascinated by how do
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they think?
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How do they act?
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How does Sam Adams and John Adams get
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together?
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How did this whole thing of Boston really
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pull off beating the British Empire?
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We got a bunch of guys just running
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around in the woods.
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You know, how did they collaborate?
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But, you know,
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Betsy Ross with the flag and certainly all
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the stuff that happened here and then
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Dorchester Heights,
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all that stuff is right in that backyard.
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So I just love all that kind of
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stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then, of course,
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one way we all know you, too,
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is because you did spend fifteen years
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with the Patriots and you've written a
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couple of books with Gino Capoletti,
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Total Patriots,
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the definitive encyclopedia of the world
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class franchise.
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and then your book Relive Patriots
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History, The Six Time World Champions.
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And it's really not an accident that our
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football team is named for the Patriots.
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And I've heard people from out of state
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coming in and saying they have a state
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holiday for the football team,
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but actually it's the other way around.
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So what is the connection between the New
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England Patriots and this story?
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Well, I'm into trivia,
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and I like to learn stuff.
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I like to kind of share stories.
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We don't call it trivia, by the way,
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Bob.
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These are important things.
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These are important things.
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So I think the major thing that I'm
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always curious.
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I'm always willing to learn.
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I've always wanted to learn more and then
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share.
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so i'm hanging out with some buddies we're
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watching the fireworks on july fourth and
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we're coming up with who's the greatest
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player to wear number blah blah blah and
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we got in the forties and fifties and
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i couldn't think of some of these guys
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names so i called gil santos who was
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from rainham and i knew him from going
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to bridgewater rainham high school and
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Said,
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how do I get a book that has
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all the uniform numbers of every player?
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And that started this process.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, Gil Santos,
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for those who don't know,
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was the longtime announcer for the New
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England Patriots.
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Yeah,
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the radio announcer for thirty five years.
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He's in the Hall of Fame.
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And, you know,
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when the Patriots won their first Super
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Bowl, I mean,
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I still get goosebumps from because he was
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there when the Boston Patriots played at
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Boston University and Boston College at
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Fenway Park,
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Harvard Stadium before they moved in
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nineteen seventy one to Boston.
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Foxborough, Schaefer Stadium,
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Sullivan Stadium, all that.
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So he had been there since, you know,
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he had seen teams that won one game,
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two games in the whole year,
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never mind winning a Super Bowl.
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So his call when they beat the Rams
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was I still get goosebumps.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But he gave me a media guide and
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I looked up the media guide.
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There was nineteen players and it had N.A.
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next to their name.
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Wow.
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So I called the Patriots.
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What's his N.A.?
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She's not available.
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These guys played in the sixties and
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seventies.
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We don't care.
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We're moving on.
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We don't have time to look it up.
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And that started my quest as the curiosity
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of if I,
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if someone played in one game,
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I want to know who they were,
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where they went to school,
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what their name was, what did they do?
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And
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That started my quest of writing an eight
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hundred page book on the history of that
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encyclopedia.
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Well, you meet people,
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you meet the Wilma Dunn of CBS and
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one of the reporters and Ron Hobson,
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you know,
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who are no longer with us and and
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the guys from the Globe,
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Shaughnessy and Ron Borges and all those
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guys.
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Who do you know?
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Who do you know?
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Who do you know?
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I meet guys that used to be the
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statistician.
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I meet Jack Grinold.
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Jack Grinold was the third person hired by
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the Boston Post.
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professional football team that didn't
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have a name and he says his job
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jack granold with the athletic director of
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northeastern for many years and he says
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his job was to come up with a
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name so we had a contest and come
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up with a name and they had about
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twenty people i mean twenty different
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names bean towners pilgrims puritans and
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then finally get narrowed down to three of
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them and then they had a contest and
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I met a woman through LinkedIn.
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She was living in Kentucky and she said,
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I wrote an essay that said they should
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be called the Boston Patriots because of
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John Hancock and Sam Adams and Ben
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Franklin and all that.
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And they said, that sounds good.
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And they became the Boston Patriots
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because of, you know,
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the heritage and the history of the
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Patriots fortitude and teamwork and
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overcoming.
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And then eventually they moved out of,
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playing in all these colleges to
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Foxborough,
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and they couldn't call it the Boston
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Patriots to play in Foxborough.
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But that confused a lot of people.
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Even Ty Law,
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when he got drafted by the New England
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Patriots, is like, where's New England?
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We're the only place that's named after
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like six states.
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I mean, Russ Francis gets drafted,
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you know, and he's like,
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I don't want to play New England.
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Where's New England?
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And they said, well,
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we can get your tickets to the Boston
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Red Sox because Russ Francis was drafted
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as a baseball player.
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And a football player, oh, okay.
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And he shows up to Boston,
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and now you've got to play in Foxborough.
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It confused a lot of people,
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New England Patriots.
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Yeah.
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Well, you were born in that area, though,
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the Bridgewater-Raynham area,
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so not far from Foxborough.
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So did you grow up?
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My first game was at Fenway Park in
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nineteen sixty seven.
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I was nine years old.
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They played the Buffalo Bills,
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and I jumped on the field afterwards,
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and I met Jano Cappelletti on the field,
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Babe Pirelli, Joe Bellino, all those guys,
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Larry Eisenhower, Houston Antwine,
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met all those guys.
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And I'm bringing the Boston Patriots back,
00:19:22.536 --> 00:19:24.017
you know, thanks to Phil Castanetti,
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and he hooked me up with the Sports
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World guy in Saugus.
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And just to be able to talk to
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those guys and spend hours and hours.
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And then in the seventies,
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you meet Steve Grogan and Ross Francis,
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Stanley Morgan, all those kinds of guys.
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But when you went to a game,
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you didn't hope,
00:19:40.114 --> 00:19:41.315
you didn't think the Patriots would win.
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You went to see the other team.
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And if we won, it was great.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Jack Grinold was a very good friend and
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he was also an historian.
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I mean,
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he was a member of the Colonial Society
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and was, as you said,
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the third employee of the Boston National
00:20:00.577 --> 00:20:03.699
Football League team way back when.
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And is there a connection then between the
00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:13.361
players you've talked to, you know,
00:20:13.401 --> 00:20:15.521
some not knowing where New England is and
00:20:15.541 --> 00:20:15.662
the
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the Patriots of the seventeen seventy
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seventeen eighties.
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And what I know they have the end
00:20:24.905 --> 00:20:28.066
zone militia fires off when the Patriots
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score a touchdown,
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which probably infuriates people in the
00:20:30.487 --> 00:20:32.326
other from the other teams.
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But that's again,
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what is the connection with the
00:20:35.327 --> 00:20:39.189
revolutionary patriots and the New England
00:20:39.229 --> 00:20:39.808
Patriots?
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Well, I mean,
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Robert Kraft always wanted to be in
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business.
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He was one of the first owners of
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the New England Lobster,
00:20:46.671 --> 00:20:49.173
the Boston Lobster tennis team.
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And then he bought the Revolution soccer
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team.
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And that's where the Enzo Militia started.
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Jeffrey Campbell and some of the guys that
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were doing some of the reenactments on the
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side, they said, you know,
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that's what Revolution is all about.
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And so they started there,
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and they would just kind of show up
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and –
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And eventually they became a little more
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organized.
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And then the Patriots said,
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this is a great idea.
00:21:15.724 --> 00:21:16.346
Let's bring them.
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And they were independent contractors.
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And then many years ago,
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because of workman's comp,
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now they're on the payroll there now.
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And they...
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they can't really do things on the side
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anymore because they're,
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they're paid as the revolutionary guys.
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So I got a chance, you know,
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because of one of my books, um,
00:21:34.838 --> 00:21:36.940
the total Patriots book, you know, I'm,
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.181
I'm in the Patriots room looking up all
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these plays and all these stats and Stacey
00:21:41.903 --> 00:21:43.584
James and the Patriots comes in and says,
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you know,
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You're just a fan that is curious about
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all these things.
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But the NFL wants to hire some people
00:21:49.969 --> 00:21:52.050
that are really serious about statistics.
00:21:52.111 --> 00:21:53.393
You've got an accounting background.
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You're into numbers and all that kind of
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stuff.
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You want a job.
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And next thing you know,
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for fifteen years, I worked for the NFL,
00:22:00.201 --> 00:22:01.522
but at every Patriots game.
00:22:02.917 --> 00:22:04.819
either taking pictures or analyzing the
00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:07.040
stats during the game.
00:22:07.162 --> 00:22:08.563
So I was there in the glory from
00:22:08.603 --> 00:22:10.544
two thousand five to two thousand eighteen
00:22:11.084 --> 00:22:12.826
at every Patriots game and getting paid to
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be there.
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And that's where I met some of the
00:22:15.086 --> 00:22:16.848
guys, met some of the militia guys,
00:22:16.909 --> 00:22:19.109
met some of the players and started
00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:21.051
hearing their stories of overcoming
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obstacles and playing three games and
00:22:22.853 --> 00:22:23.673
their careers over.
00:22:23.713 --> 00:22:24.974
And how do you move on from there?
00:22:25.035 --> 00:22:28.017
So, yeah, that's that whole kind of.
00:22:29.546 --> 00:22:30.467
You know, as something happens,
00:22:30.487 --> 00:22:31.208
let's make it better.
00:22:31.228 --> 00:22:32.028
Let's make it better.
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And, you know,
00:22:33.871 --> 00:22:35.894
there's one time that Adam Vinatieri was
00:22:35.973 --> 00:22:37.435
actually kicking an extra point.
00:22:37.455 --> 00:22:40.278
And after they score a touchdown,
00:22:40.358 --> 00:22:42.541
the militia guys shoot their guns and the
00:22:42.582 --> 00:22:43.923
powder goes into the air.
00:22:43.963 --> 00:22:46.366
Well, the powder ended up in his eyes.
00:22:47.367 --> 00:22:47.528
Yeah.
00:22:48.828 --> 00:22:50.349
not that far away and he couldn't see
00:22:50.369 --> 00:22:51.270
the ball and he missed it.
00:22:51.330 --> 00:22:52.832
And he's like, that costs me money.
00:22:52.872 --> 00:22:55.792
If I miss an extra boy, the percentages,
00:22:55.813 --> 00:22:57.755
you know, we actually,
00:22:58.134 --> 00:22:59.715
he had to move a little bit to
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the side and he, for the future.
00:23:02.156 --> 00:23:04.278
Um, so when the guns go off,
00:23:04.638 --> 00:23:06.038
the power doesn't get in the kicker's
00:23:06.159 --> 00:23:08.401
eyes, but, uh, you never know.
00:23:08.421 --> 00:23:09.621
These things come to play.
00:23:10.321 --> 00:23:11.663
It makes you think about the, the,
00:23:11.702 --> 00:23:14.864
the muskets going off, uh, in a battle.
00:23:14.904 --> 00:23:17.385
If it does that to Adam Vinatieri, um,
00:23:18.018 --> 00:23:22.142
And Jonathan's pointing out that not all
00:23:22.182 --> 00:23:23.962
the Patriots of the Revolution did that
00:23:24.002 --> 00:23:25.224
well after the war.
00:23:25.305 --> 00:23:26.746
So we think about players,
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what happens to them?
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I mean, you have this moment,
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but then you have to go on and
00:23:30.808 --> 00:23:31.710
do something else.
00:23:33.092 --> 00:23:34.613
Even Tom Brady couldn't play forever.
00:23:35.834 --> 00:23:36.434
And that's the thing.
00:23:36.454 --> 00:23:36.634
I mean,
00:23:36.815 --> 00:23:38.436
what are the odds of you actually making
00:23:38.557 --> 00:23:40.398
it in a college football game?
00:23:40.459 --> 00:23:42.161
And then if you're excellent college,
00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:43.721
then you make it to the pros.
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Yeah.
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And then like Troy Brown,
00:23:46.224 --> 00:23:48.047
he got drafted in the eighth round.
00:23:48.267 --> 00:23:49.307
He's one of my favorite players,
00:23:49.327 --> 00:23:50.548
but they don't have an eighth round
00:23:50.608 --> 00:23:51.549
anymore in the draft.
00:23:51.569 --> 00:23:52.570
They have a seventh round.
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So he makes it the eighth round.
00:23:54.732 --> 00:23:56.194
And the last time they have the eighth
00:23:56.234 --> 00:23:56.454
round,
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then he gets cut and then he gets
00:23:57.817 --> 00:23:58.497
brought back.
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And then he.
00:24:00.338 --> 00:24:01.720
He's in their Patriots Hall of Fame.
00:24:02.861 --> 00:24:04.782
Some of the most memorable plays in the
00:24:04.823 --> 00:24:05.443
playoffs.
00:24:05.523 --> 00:24:07.204
Troy Brown picking up the ball on the
00:24:07.285 --> 00:24:10.167
ladder when we get to Antoine Harris for
00:24:10.188 --> 00:24:12.470
the blocked field goal return for a
00:24:12.509 --> 00:24:14.050
touchdown and returning a punt for a
00:24:14.090 --> 00:24:15.673
touchdown and catching the pass against
00:24:15.712 --> 00:24:16.993
the Rams and going out of bounds.
00:24:17.594 --> 00:24:18.714
This is a guy that shouldn't have been
00:24:18.755 --> 00:24:19.256
on the team.
00:24:19.949 --> 00:24:20.348
Yeah.
00:24:20.368 --> 00:24:22.391
But now he turned into a coach.
00:24:22.431 --> 00:24:23.613
But a lot of these guys, I mean,
00:24:23.653 --> 00:24:25.594
there's fifteen hundred players that have
00:24:25.614 --> 00:24:28.017
played for the Patriots and fifteen
00:24:28.057 --> 00:24:28.656
percent of them,
00:24:28.696 --> 00:24:32.320
their whole career is three games or less.
00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:33.882
Wow.
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Three games.
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That's it.
00:24:35.042 --> 00:24:38.105
You get all that hundred thousand odds to
00:24:38.226 --> 00:24:39.548
one odds that you make it and your
00:24:39.567 --> 00:24:40.729
career is over at twenty five.
00:24:40.769 --> 00:24:40.969
Three.
00:24:41.088 --> 00:24:41.869
You played three games.
00:24:41.890 --> 00:24:43.111
You played one game, two games.
00:24:44.625 --> 00:24:45.184
It's amazing.
00:24:45.224 --> 00:24:45.865
And then what do you do?
00:24:45.965 --> 00:24:48.086
But you have to be resilient.
00:24:48.106 --> 00:24:48.866
You got to figure it out.
00:24:48.886 --> 00:24:49.866
You got to make contacts.
00:24:49.886 --> 00:24:51.028
You got to go back to school,
00:24:51.928 --> 00:24:52.688
whatever it is.
00:24:52.827 --> 00:24:53.848
And then you got to get back to
00:24:53.888 --> 00:24:54.509
the community.
00:24:54.548 --> 00:24:56.449
So some guys had trouble.
00:24:56.609 --> 00:24:59.530
Some guys couldn't turn their life around
00:24:59.570 --> 00:25:00.471
and they're still in jail.
00:25:01.981 --> 00:25:04.183
or whatever things that they did that
00:25:04.243 --> 00:25:05.184
weren't proper.
00:25:06.546 --> 00:25:08.007
Well, we're talking with Bob Hilberg,
00:25:08.047 --> 00:25:10.569
who is an historian of Medford history,
00:25:10.650 --> 00:25:11.431
local history,
00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:13.271
as well as of the New England Patriots.
00:25:14.053 --> 00:25:17.496
And so it is Patriots Day weekend when
00:25:17.536 --> 00:25:20.178
you will be unveiling the statue of Sarah
00:25:20.198 --> 00:25:20.878
Bradley Fulton.
00:25:20.898 --> 00:25:22.099
Can we talk a little bit about what's
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:22.861
going to be happening
00:25:23.632 --> 00:25:24.593
You know, that day was.
00:25:24.712 --> 00:25:25.692
Yeah, that's a big day.
00:25:25.732 --> 00:25:26.874
So that's April twentyth.
00:25:27.034 --> 00:25:27.973
That's that Monday.
00:25:28.835 --> 00:25:30.836
And so not only are we going to
00:25:30.855 --> 00:25:31.997
have the big celebration,
00:25:32.517 --> 00:25:37.599
Mayor Brianna Longo-Cohn is the emcee,
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:38.980
the mayor of Wubin.
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.382
We're going to have some hopefully some
00:25:40.801 --> 00:25:41.442
some people there,
00:25:41.521 --> 00:25:43.583
some people from the Boston Tea Party,
00:25:43.663 --> 00:25:44.223
some reenactors.
00:25:44.243 --> 00:25:45.223
We'll have some music.
00:25:45.263 --> 00:25:48.006
We hope to have maybe a concert.
00:25:48.959 --> 00:25:51.221
some TV people there, some, you know,
00:25:51.261 --> 00:25:52.403
really get a big deal out of it.
00:25:52.423 --> 00:25:54.365
And then after that, um,
00:25:54.384 --> 00:25:56.126
I'm going to be dressed as a captain
00:25:56.207 --> 00:25:58.628
Isaac Hall and go back to, uh,
00:25:58.669 --> 00:26:01.092
his house on, and then Paul,
00:26:01.112 --> 00:26:02.673
Paul Revere gets on his horse later.
00:26:02.814 --> 00:26:05.276
And around noontime he comes and they shut
00:26:05.316 --> 00:26:06.577
down the streets with the national
00:26:06.678 --> 00:26:07.097
answers.
00:26:07.238 --> 00:26:08.519
And, you know, I,
00:26:09.392 --> 00:26:13.053
We meet Paul Revere, Laura Duggan, a.k.a.
00:26:13.093 --> 00:26:13.712
Mrs. Hall.
00:26:13.772 --> 00:26:17.713
We come down from waking, you know,
00:26:17.773 --> 00:26:18.173
asleep.
00:26:18.213 --> 00:26:20.193
He came around eleven forty five at night
00:26:20.554 --> 00:26:23.934
and we read the Longfellow poem and gets
00:26:23.994 --> 00:26:25.634
on his horse and he continues on to
00:26:25.674 --> 00:26:26.214
Lexington.
00:26:26.295 --> 00:26:27.915
So we got a thing at nine in
00:26:27.935 --> 00:26:29.695
the morning and then we scoot down the
00:26:29.736 --> 00:26:32.396
street to the Salem Street burial grounds
00:26:32.436 --> 00:26:33.777
and then over to Lexington.
00:26:33.972 --> 00:26:37.814
on the Captain Isaac Hall House and do
00:26:37.854 --> 00:26:40.255
that whole Patriot's Day celebration.
00:26:40.295 --> 00:26:42.055
So it's a big, big day in Medford.
00:26:42.714 --> 00:26:42.894
Yeah.
00:26:42.994 --> 00:26:43.595
And you do do,
00:26:43.756 --> 00:26:45.415
because Paul Revere does ride through
00:26:45.455 --> 00:26:47.556
Medford on April eighteenth of seventeen
00:26:47.596 --> 00:26:48.257
seventy five.
00:26:48.317 --> 00:26:51.396
And riders go out from Medford to other
00:26:51.436 --> 00:26:53.018
towns and wait for that.
00:26:54.897 --> 00:26:57.919
And so you have and I by the
00:26:57.939 --> 00:26:58.038
way,
00:26:58.058 --> 00:26:59.460
I never see you without your trike or
00:26:59.500 --> 00:26:59.799
hat on.
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:00.720
Are you a reenactor?
00:27:02.508 --> 00:27:03.970
I've been involved in a couple of like,
00:27:04.171 --> 00:27:05.731
you know, with this Captain Isaac Hall.
00:27:07.094 --> 00:27:09.676
So I'm trying to just get that that
00:27:09.717 --> 00:27:11.259
name and that image out there now.
00:27:11.318 --> 00:27:13.102
So I'm going to Patriots games now wearing
00:27:13.122 --> 00:27:14.923
this kind of thing just to kind of
00:27:14.943 --> 00:27:15.324
get this
00:27:16.407 --> 00:27:17.868
A little bit of, let's go,
00:27:17.888 --> 00:27:19.430
this two hundred and fiftieth celebration.
00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:22.131
And I appreciate all of what you're doing
00:27:22.371 --> 00:27:24.231
and Jonathan Lane and everyone else that's
00:27:24.251 --> 00:27:25.772
out there that's really been promoting
00:27:26.113 --> 00:27:28.233
what you did in Lexington and Concord and
00:27:28.413 --> 00:27:29.454
Arlington and Monotony.
00:27:29.634 --> 00:27:32.655
And certainly we want to bring Medford to
00:27:32.695 --> 00:27:34.557
the top of the list to let them
00:27:34.576 --> 00:27:36.377
know that things happen in Medford, too.
00:27:37.239 --> 00:27:38.058
A lot of things did.
00:27:38.098 --> 00:27:38.700
It's a great place.
00:27:38.779 --> 00:27:41.441
And the Isaac Hall House is now the
00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:43.261
Medford Islamic Cultural Center.
00:27:43.903 --> 00:27:45.263
And the community there turns out with
00:27:45.304 --> 00:27:47.326
tri-cornered hats commemorating Paul
00:27:47.365 --> 00:27:49.646
Revere supporting these events.
00:27:49.666 --> 00:27:49.807
Yeah,
00:27:49.826 --> 00:27:51.228
it was a funeral home for many years.
00:27:51.288 --> 00:27:53.730
And then they came in and bought it,
00:27:53.930 --> 00:27:55.790
the Islamic Cultural Center.
00:27:56.332 --> 00:27:58.413
So they're open and they're very
00:27:58.452 --> 00:27:59.314
supportive of this.
00:27:59.413 --> 00:28:00.174
And, you know,
00:28:00.194 --> 00:28:02.536
there's a nice little plaque on the street
00:28:02.596 --> 00:28:06.098
of when Paul Revere actually came there.
00:28:06.118 --> 00:28:09.381
And then Lafayette visited there as well,
00:28:10.701 --> 00:28:11.762
way back in the eighteen hundreds.
00:28:12.482 --> 00:28:13.263
Who was Isaac Hall?
00:28:14.625 --> 00:28:16.846
So Captain Isaac Hall was a militia guy
00:28:17.086 --> 00:28:19.626
in charge of Malden and Medford.
00:28:20.406 --> 00:28:22.468
So when Barrie Weir said, all right,
00:28:23.208 --> 00:28:27.650
they're on the march, go to your team,
00:28:27.670 --> 00:28:28.250
so to speak,
00:28:28.309 --> 00:28:30.931
or your unit in Medford and Malden and
00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:33.251
let them know to get ready.
00:28:34.311 --> 00:28:36.512
And so then did they march to Lexington
00:28:36.532 --> 00:28:37.012
and Concord?
00:28:37.113 --> 00:28:37.532
They did.
00:28:37.633 --> 00:28:39.114
I don't know that they got there in
00:28:39.173 --> 00:28:41.454
time, but they were part of it.
00:28:41.694 --> 00:28:42.234
Yeah.
00:28:42.741 --> 00:28:43.642
Probably in monotony,
00:28:43.682 --> 00:28:45.522
they were in the areas between.
00:28:45.583 --> 00:28:45.702
I mean,
00:28:45.742 --> 00:28:47.482
that was a big day of fighting all
00:28:47.522 --> 00:28:48.363
along the route.
00:28:48.722 --> 00:28:49.143
Absolutely.
00:28:49.163 --> 00:28:51.723
Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So, Sarah's children, both boys and girls,
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grow up and do interesting things.
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And you said that their descendants are
00:29:01.006 --> 00:29:02.185
scattered as they would be.
00:29:02.205 --> 00:29:04.086
Yeah.
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Are any, did any,
00:29:06.207 --> 00:29:08.428
they must have some stay in the town
00:29:08.488 --> 00:29:09.847
then when she's getting old?
00:29:12.698 --> 00:29:14.439
I don't have a lot of background on
00:29:14.878 --> 00:29:16.400
what they did and where they went,
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.180
but I don't think they were involved.
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.820
There probably wasn't a lot going on
00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:22.402
around the eighteen twenties and thirties
00:29:23.241 --> 00:29:24.002
until, you know,
00:29:24.022 --> 00:29:26.243
the silverware war kicked in in the
00:29:26.284 --> 00:29:27.064
eighteen sixties.
00:29:27.104 --> 00:29:28.684
It was probably some skirmishes with some
00:29:28.744 --> 00:29:29.724
Indians and things like that.
00:29:29.744 --> 00:29:30.424
But yeah,
00:29:30.444 --> 00:29:33.227
I don't think they really stepped up with
00:29:33.267 --> 00:29:34.646
anything that they did.
00:29:35.406 --> 00:29:37.008
Well, they're living ordinary lives then.
00:29:37.048 --> 00:29:39.088
I mean, the big event and then
00:29:40.534 --> 00:29:42.976
So that the next generation can live kind
00:29:42.996 --> 00:29:43.895
of ordinary lives.
00:29:44.016 --> 00:29:44.717
Exactly right.
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:48.440
Who made this?
00:29:48.819 --> 00:29:49.500
Behind me,
00:29:49.520 --> 00:29:52.242
we have a great miniature of the statue.
00:29:52.282 --> 00:29:53.503
Can you tell us a bit about who
00:29:53.544 --> 00:29:56.226
made it and what the process was of
00:29:56.266 --> 00:29:57.106
creating a statue?
00:29:57.711 --> 00:29:58.030
Sure.
00:29:58.090 --> 00:29:58.791
So, you know,
00:29:58.811 --> 00:30:01.193
we're doing the Sarah Bradley Fulton Day
00:30:01.233 --> 00:30:02.895
that we've done five years now.
00:30:04.837 --> 00:30:07.420
We had some some brochures and Laura
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.702
Duggan kind of dresses as Sarah Bradley
00:30:10.722 --> 00:30:11.182
Fulton.
00:30:11.242 --> 00:30:13.005
So we got a hold of this guy,
00:30:13.025 --> 00:30:13.986
Robert Shaw,
00:30:14.365 --> 00:30:16.768
S-H-U-R-E of Skylight Studios.
00:30:17.689 --> 00:30:19.631
And he's in Salem Street here in Woburn.
00:30:20.151 --> 00:30:22.472
And he is a world renowned artist.
00:30:23.846 --> 00:30:28.372
sculptor and he did the red all bark
00:30:28.471 --> 00:30:30.354
and he did the Ted Williams tunnel and
00:30:30.394 --> 00:30:36.040
he's done all type of museums go there
00:30:36.080 --> 00:30:37.781
it's just it's amazing it's like going to
00:30:37.801 --> 00:30:40.204
Museum of Fine Arts this workshop is yeah
00:30:40.525 --> 00:30:44.750
oh yeah yeah yeah so from you know
00:30:45.123 --> 00:30:47.325
Sigmund Freud to George Washington to
00:30:47.404 --> 00:30:49.986
Lincoln to David Mugar.
00:30:50.026 --> 00:30:51.948
He's got the big one, David Mugar,
00:30:51.968 --> 00:30:52.647
that's huge.
00:30:53.709 --> 00:30:56.830
So he hired a woman to kind of
00:30:56.851 --> 00:30:58.132
look at the pot.
00:30:58.192 --> 00:31:00.232
And then he started with the drawings of
00:31:00.292 --> 00:31:01.673
it and the pencil drawings.
00:31:01.713 --> 00:31:03.055
And then he did it in clay.
00:31:03.115 --> 00:31:05.636
And then once we came over and we
00:31:05.676 --> 00:31:07.077
looked at it and he said, geez,
00:31:07.157 --> 00:31:08.157
I got to fix the foot.
00:31:08.198 --> 00:31:09.618
That's not the right kind of foot.
00:31:09.638 --> 00:31:10.500
That's not right.
00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:12.580
And we wanted to give her a powerful
00:31:12.642 --> 00:31:15.163
look of the hand on the hip and
00:31:15.202 --> 00:31:15.544
stuff.
00:31:16.003 --> 00:31:17.325
They were courageous looking up.
00:31:17.365 --> 00:31:19.727
So we went through a couple of different
00:31:19.767 --> 00:31:23.189
things and then he put it in clay
00:31:23.368 --> 00:31:25.009
and then he bronzed this one so that
00:31:25.029 --> 00:31:27.791
we can kind of display it to really
00:31:27.811 --> 00:31:29.192
get people behind it.
00:31:30.674 --> 00:31:33.036
It's now this is only twenty nine inches.
00:31:33.336 --> 00:31:34.896
The one he has is six feet high.
00:31:34.957 --> 00:31:37.576
We're going to have a two foot plaque
00:31:37.636 --> 00:31:38.238
underneath it.
00:31:38.258 --> 00:31:39.337
So it's going to be about eight feet
00:31:39.357 --> 00:31:39.617
high.
00:31:39.657 --> 00:31:40.919
It's going to be in the corner of
00:31:41.618 --> 00:31:42.499
Medford City Hall.
00:31:42.999 --> 00:31:44.140
It's going to be spectacular.
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:45.200
So, you know,
00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:46.740
when I've gone around and looked at some
00:31:46.760 --> 00:31:48.621
of the other statues of Deborah Sampson
00:31:48.701 --> 00:31:53.663
and Sharon and Abigail Adams and Quincy,
00:31:54.323 --> 00:31:54.903
like, well,
00:31:55.483 --> 00:31:57.604
this is the woman here that especially
00:31:57.644 --> 00:31:58.505
Massachusetts.
00:31:58.964 --> 00:31:59.184
Right.
00:31:59.904 --> 00:32:02.346
uh we really want to bring that to
00:32:02.386 --> 00:32:05.788
life that this yeah when they did the
00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:10.332
the bill russell bridge in um there's a
00:32:10.373 --> 00:32:12.114
little plaque there on that bridge and
00:32:12.134 --> 00:32:13.734
they planted a tree in her name so
00:32:13.755 --> 00:32:16.916
wow fulton has a little plaque there
00:32:17.738 --> 00:32:20.318
interesting interesting um is there a
00:32:20.338 --> 00:32:22.780
ballpark figure of how much a statue like
00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:24.321
this would cost if someone's thinking
00:32:24.342 --> 00:32:26.304
about a heroine or in their hero in
00:32:26.324 --> 00:32:27.964
their own town that they might want to
00:32:29.194 --> 00:32:30.076
have a statue put up?
00:32:31.836 --> 00:32:33.198
It was less than a hundred grand.
00:32:33.298 --> 00:32:33.577
I mean,
00:32:33.617 --> 00:32:35.900
the statue of Tom Brady was a lot
00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:36.240
of money.
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.363
I don't know what that was, but yeah,
00:32:39.383 --> 00:32:39.542
we've,
00:32:39.643 --> 00:32:41.724
we've had some people step up and really
00:32:41.785 --> 00:32:43.566
donate some, some really good money.
00:32:43.605 --> 00:32:45.607
We've had over four hundred people just
00:32:45.627 --> 00:32:46.788
give us twenty five dollars.
00:32:47.088 --> 00:32:47.648
Yeah.
00:32:47.689 --> 00:32:48.410
We had a thing.
00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:50.270
So we contact everyone said,
00:32:50.290 --> 00:32:51.332
just give us twenty five dollars.
00:32:51.372 --> 00:32:52.712
And then some people gave us fifty and
00:32:52.732 --> 00:32:53.093
a hundred.
00:32:53.133 --> 00:32:55.035
But yeah,
00:32:55.055 --> 00:32:57.196
a little less than a hundred grand to
00:32:57.257 --> 00:32:58.176
put this all together.
00:32:58.356 --> 00:32:58.657
And yeah,
00:32:59.637 --> 00:33:01.318
do it in different stages so that
00:33:01.598 --> 00:33:02.980
everything came out perfectly.
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.519
And it's just,
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:06.221
I haven't seen the full version in bronze.
00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:07.301
I've seen the full version.
00:33:07.321 --> 00:33:08.501
You showed a picture of it in the
00:33:08.561 --> 00:33:08.942
clay,
00:33:10.323 --> 00:33:12.064
but we're looking forward to doing a big
00:33:12.124 --> 00:33:13.523
promo thing and a press release.
00:33:13.663 --> 00:33:17.586
Once we, uh, we have, uh, Robert Bosignor,
00:33:17.846 --> 00:33:19.287
who was a metric guy and now he's
00:33:19.307 --> 00:33:19.846
in Vegas.
00:33:20.106 --> 00:33:21.248
Uh, when he comes to town,
00:33:21.288 --> 00:33:22.387
we're going to make this big,
00:33:22.407 --> 00:33:23.588
huge check of, uh,
00:33:24.409 --> 00:33:25.549
a copy of the check that he gave
00:33:25.609 --> 00:33:26.971
us uh so that we can make a
00:33:27.010 --> 00:33:29.211
presentation on that so that we haven't
00:33:29.231 --> 00:33:30.992
got a date for the app though okay
00:33:31.053 --> 00:33:32.874
are there any images of sarah bradley
00:33:32.894 --> 00:33:36.115
fulton from life any drawings or not
00:33:36.175 --> 00:33:39.238
really i mean there was a book that
00:33:39.258 --> 00:33:41.759
was written about her fearing for nothing
00:33:41.999 --> 00:33:45.240
you know um okay yeah but i don't
00:33:45.280 --> 00:33:46.922
most of the pictures that are out there
00:33:46.961 --> 00:33:47.281
are just
00:33:48.345 --> 00:33:50.405
You know, not pictures.
00:33:50.465 --> 00:33:51.287
And then there was a book,
00:33:51.626 --> 00:33:54.909
this Allie Rowley, Sea Spies.
00:33:54.970 --> 00:33:56.790
There's a little chapter in that about
00:33:56.830 --> 00:33:57.070
her.
00:33:58.692 --> 00:34:02.815
But I haven't seen any pictures that are
00:34:02.835 --> 00:34:03.915
authentic anyways.
00:34:05.016 --> 00:34:07.198
But it's been a real community effort then
00:34:07.238 --> 00:34:09.179
to get the statue up and tell the
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:09.498
story,
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.039
the stories of what's happening in
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:11.440
Medford,
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.021
including the stories of Sarah Bradley
00:34:13.041 --> 00:34:13.382
Fulton.
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:15.099
Absolutely.
00:34:15.619 --> 00:34:16.500
And that's what it's all about.
00:34:17.041 --> 00:34:19.760
You know, telling a story, you know,
00:34:19.940 --> 00:34:21.400
and letting people know.
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:21.581
I mean,
00:34:21.621 --> 00:34:24.342
Amelia Earhart was there for a short time
00:34:24.382 --> 00:34:25.882
and there's a little mural of her at
00:34:25.961 --> 00:34:26.702
one of the stores.
00:34:28.202 --> 00:34:28.443
Right.
00:34:30.063 --> 00:34:30.202
Yeah.
00:34:30.222 --> 00:34:30.523
But, you know,
00:34:30.543 --> 00:34:32.844
Medford is a big player and really was
00:34:32.864 --> 00:34:36.304
a big part of the Boston community for
00:34:36.344 --> 00:34:37.445
many years and still is.
00:34:38.284 --> 00:34:39.465
Still is very much so.
00:34:39.485 --> 00:34:42.766
So is Woburn.
00:34:42.786 --> 00:34:42.985
Yeah.
00:34:43.106 --> 00:34:43.565
Well, that
00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:44.971
From what I understand,
00:34:45.251 --> 00:34:46.592
when they went out to Lexington,
00:34:47.092 --> 00:34:49.614
John Hancock screwed off to Wubin before
00:34:50.373 --> 00:34:51.135
the British got there.
00:34:52.215 --> 00:34:53.956
And we just had a celebration of Battle
00:34:54.016 --> 00:35:00.340
Road with Ed Markey coming and Mayor Mike
00:35:00.380 --> 00:35:02.161
McCannon.
00:35:02.262 --> 00:35:03.242
We had a big celebration,
00:35:03.282 --> 00:35:06.545
and I was actually there in my reenactment
00:35:06.585 --> 00:35:07.125
suit.
00:35:08.085 --> 00:35:10.126
There's a picture that was in that that
00:35:10.166 --> 00:35:12.228
actually made Discover Magazine,
00:35:12.289 --> 00:35:13.630
Discover Concord Magazine.
00:35:15.429 --> 00:35:17.951
So that was pretty cool to get some
00:35:17.990 --> 00:35:19.391
notoriety for Wubin in that.
00:35:19.431 --> 00:35:20.791
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:20.992 --> 00:35:21.291
Yeah, I mean,
00:35:21.331 --> 00:35:23.231
Wubin has got the Baldwin's and Benjamin
00:35:23.271 --> 00:35:23.751
Thompson,
00:35:23.811 --> 00:35:26.012
and there's a lot of history here in
00:35:26.032 --> 00:35:26.333
Wubin as well.
00:35:26.353 --> 00:35:27.913
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:27.952 --> 00:35:28.753
People on both sides.
00:35:28.773 --> 00:35:28.914
I mean,
00:35:28.954 --> 00:35:30.974
Benjamin Thompson becomes Count Rumford,
00:35:31.034 --> 00:35:34.335
and now you see his picture on baking
00:35:34.375 --> 00:35:34.514
soda.
00:35:34.534 --> 00:35:38.516
And Wubin Public Library is amazing too.
00:35:39.335 --> 00:35:40.456
It is, yeah.
00:35:40.476 --> 00:35:42.016
It's really a tremendous building.
00:35:42.036 --> 00:35:42.436
I mean, it's...
00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:46.969
We've been talking with Bob Hilberg from
00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:51.231
Medford, Woburn, other places.
00:35:51.251 --> 00:35:51.391
I mean,
00:35:51.411 --> 00:35:54.210
talking about Sarah Bradley Fulton.
00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:57.472
Her day is April twentieth,
00:35:57.572 --> 00:35:59.271
which is also Patriots Day.
00:35:59.731 --> 00:35:59.952
Right.
00:36:00.012 --> 00:36:01.713
And we're all invited to come and see
00:36:01.753 --> 00:36:04.032
the unveiling of the statue in Medford.
00:36:05.313 --> 00:36:06.434
So thank you so much for joining us,
00:36:06.534 --> 00:36:06.733
Bob.
00:36:06.773 --> 00:36:07.454
This has been great.
00:36:07.967 --> 00:36:09.628
Yeah, anyone that wants to learn more,
00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:10.869
the website is
00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:16.014
lookingbackatmedfordhistory.com.
00:36:16.273 --> 00:36:18.976
Lookingbackatmedfordhistory.com.
00:36:20.038 --> 00:36:20.998
We have a Facebook group,
00:36:21.398 --> 00:36:22.920
Looking Back at Medford History.
00:36:24.206 --> 00:36:27.108
I started a Facebook group called why we
00:36:27.168 --> 00:36:28.088
love Boston.
00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:30.391
That's kind of got me on the historical
00:36:30.431 --> 00:36:30.871
side.
00:36:31.112 --> 00:36:33.833
So why we love Boston is the Facebook
00:36:33.853 --> 00:36:35.295
group that we post stuff there.
00:36:35.355 --> 00:36:38.077
And certainly anyone that wants to reach
00:36:38.137 --> 00:36:39.418
out to me, it's just my name.
00:36:39.458 --> 00:36:40.860
I'm on Instagram and Facebook.
00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:44.061
And my job right now is to tell
00:36:44.101 --> 00:36:44.563
stories.
00:36:44.663 --> 00:36:44.802
And,
00:36:45.422 --> 00:36:47.184
and if you're looking to write a book
00:36:47.244 --> 00:36:48.786
or do anything like that,
00:36:49.065 --> 00:36:51.088
that you want to have some goals, um,
00:36:51.893 --> 00:36:54.315
I have a self-coaching program that you'll
00:36:54.355 --> 00:36:57.077
coach yourself to where you want to go,
00:36:57.137 --> 00:36:57.777
what do you want to be,
00:36:58.418 --> 00:36:59.338
how you want to get there.
00:36:59.438 --> 00:37:01.740
I'll support you and get you to that
00:37:02.101 --> 00:37:04.103
next level of life of enjoying your
00:37:04.123 --> 00:37:04.443
journey.
00:37:04.503 --> 00:37:05.664
And that's my motto.
00:37:05.784 --> 00:37:06.465
Enjoy your journey.
00:37:06.485 --> 00:37:07.206
You're only here once.
00:37:08.422 --> 00:37:08.822
Great.
00:37:09.202 --> 00:37:10.403
Well, thank you so much for joining us,
00:37:10.443 --> 00:37:10.503
Bob.
00:37:10.523 --> 00:37:11.985
This has been fun talking with you.
00:37:12.266 --> 00:37:14.668
And I want to thank Jonathan Lane,
00:37:14.708 --> 00:37:16.108
who's our man behind the scenes,
00:37:16.128 --> 00:37:18.492
who's been making things run smoothly.
00:37:18.771 --> 00:37:20.793
And all of our listeners every week, Bob,
00:37:20.813 --> 00:37:22.835
we thank folks who we know are regularly
00:37:22.876 --> 00:37:23.416
tuning in.
00:37:23.456 --> 00:37:25.297
And if you're in one of these places
00:37:25.358 --> 00:37:27.740
and want some of our Revolution two fifty
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00:37:29.563 --> 00:37:31.885
Jay Lane at Revolution two five zero dot
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00:37:32.916 --> 00:37:34.016
And if you're not in one of these
00:37:34.056 --> 00:37:35.577
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00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.260
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00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.722
I want to thank our listeners in
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Clearwater, Florida,
00:37:41.704 --> 00:37:43.664
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00:37:44.465 --> 00:37:45.947
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00:37:46.106 --> 00:37:47.688
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Lee, Massachusetts,
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Sewell, New Jersey,
00:37:54.737 --> 00:37:57.860
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Perengi in Haute Savoy in La Belle,
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and all people in places between and
00:38:02.262 --> 00:38:02.643
beyond.
00:38:02.682 --> 00:38:03.943
Thanks for joining us now.
00:38:04.364 --> 00:38:06.126
We will be piped out on the road
00:38:06.146 --> 00:38:06.686
to Boston.