John Trumbull & Portraits of Patriots with Damien Cregeau

John Trumbull's paintings have done more to etch the key events of the American Revolution into America's memory than perhaps anyone else. The son of the Governor of Connecticut and the brother of a Governor of Connecticut, Trumbull served in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. He knew many of the key figures of these events, and when he painted them, he painted them as he knew them.  We talk with Damien M. Cregeau, author of "Portraits of Patriots: Colonel John Trumbull and Five Fellow Patriots From Connecticut in the American Revolution" as we delve into the life and times of John Trumbull.

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 Because it is, yes.
 
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 We're on now with Damian Krugo.
 
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 This is the Revolution Two-Fifty podcast.
 
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 Welcome, everyone.
 
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 I'm Bob Allison.
 
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 I chair the Rev Two-Fifty Advisory Group,
 
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 also teach history at Suffolk University.
 
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 And Rev Two-Fifty is a
 
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 consortium of about
 
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 seventy-five groups in
 
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 Massachusetts planning ways
 
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 to commemorate the
 
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 beginnings of American independence.
 
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 And our guest today is Damian Krugo,
 
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 who is an historian.
 
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 He writes often in the
 
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 Journal of American History.
 
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 He's written in Financial History Magazine,
 
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 American Spirit,
 
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 recipient of the National
 
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 Society of the Daughters of
 
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 the American Revolution
 
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 History Medal for his work in history.
 
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 And we're going to talk
 
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 about your new book,
 
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 which is Portraits of Patriots,
 
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 the Revolutionary Lives of
 
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 Five Patriots from Connecticut.
 
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 the Trumbles of Lebanon,
 
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 the Huntingtons of Norwich,
 
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 and the Webs of Wethersfield,
 
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 as well as Captain Seth Harding,
 
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 who was originally from East Ham,
 
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 Massachusetts.
 
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 Interesting group.
 
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 So, Damian,
 
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 thanks so much for joining us again.
 
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 Well, thank you for having me back, Bob.
 
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 I do have a copy of the book
 
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 here so that we can flash
 
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 the image of the cover in
 
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 the back as well.
 
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 Great.
 
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 Yeah, it looks good.
 
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 What drew you to these
 
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 particular people to write about?
 
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 You broke up.
 
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 Can you repeat that again?
 
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 What drew you to these particular people,
 
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 the Trumbles, the Huntingtons, the Webbs?
 
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 How did you choose this
 
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 particular gallery?
 
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 So it starts with where I'm sitting.
 
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 I'm in the dining room of
 
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 the General Jedediah and
 
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 Faith Trumbull Huntington House, and
 
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 here in Norwich, Connecticut,
 
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 an example of her artwork behind me,
 
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 which we'll get to later.
 
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 When we bought this house
 
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 ten years ago in the spring
 
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 of twenty fifteen, I realized, oh,
 
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 my goodness,
 
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 no one's written a biography
 
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 of the Huntingtons and all
 
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 their important,
 
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 interesting contributions
 
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 to the American Revolution,
 
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 along with her artistic
 
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 talents and how she inspired her younger,
 
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 famous, later to be famous brother,
 
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 John Trumbull.
 
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 as someone who had taught
 
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 art history that no one had
 
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 gone in any depth into John
 
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 Trumbull's military service
 
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 in the American Revolution.
 
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 They focused, of course,
 
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 on his painting career.
 
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 And as a resident of Wethersfield,
 
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 where we have another house
 
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 from seventeen sixty five,
 
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 I felt it was important to
 
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 also shed some light on Samuel Webb,
 
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 a colonel in the American
 
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 Revolution who serves as
 
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 aide to General Washington
 
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 and is grazed by a bullet at Bunker Hill.
 
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 So I thought,
 
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 No one had taken six people of this level,
 
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 this strata of society.
 
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 I guess you could say they
 
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 were all comfortable upper
 
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 middle class and who were officers,
 
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 basically majors,
 
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 colonels and brigadier
 
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 generals in the American
 
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 Revolution and taken a slice,
 
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 a lateral slice.
 
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 When we look at the
 
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 literature out there for
 
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 the American Revolution,
 
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 it tends to be biographies of Washington,
 
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 Arnold, Lafayette,
 
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 or it's a battle study,
 
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 or it's a study of the entire war.
 
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 And I thought,
 
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 what if I take a slice and I
 
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 connect the dots,
 
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 and I pick six people who
 
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 all knew each other through
 
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 their military service,
 
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 and in the case of Faith
 
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 Trumbull Huntington,
 
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 she's the spouse of Jedediah,
 
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 and what is her story?
 
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 So this book is five men and a woman,
 
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 a general's wife.
 
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 And it's interesting,
 
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 the relationships among them.
 
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 And Faith is a fascinating character.
 
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 As you said, you have an image,
 
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 one of her embroideries,
 
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 an image of behind you.
 
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 Tragic story.
 
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 And she's the older sister
 
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 of John Trumbull,
 
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 the artist whom we know about.
 
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 Do you want to talk a little
 
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 bit more about Faith and
 
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 her role in this?
 
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 Yes.
 
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 is the daughter of Governor
 
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 Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
 
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 and his wife, Faith Robinson Trumbull,
 
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 obviously her namesake,
 
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 and that's where the
 
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 Mayflower line comes in
 
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 through Faith Robinson of
 
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 the Boston area.
 
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 Jonathan is not yet governor
 
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 when Faith marries Jedediah
 
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 in seventeen sixty six here
 
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 in this house.
 
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 He's the deputy governor and
 
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 then he takes office as
 
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 governor in seventeen sixty nine.
 
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 He's the only governor
 
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 Uh, who was colonial governor,
 
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 but also Patriot governor
 
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 and then governor after the
 
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 American revolution for any
 
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 of the thirteen colonies turned states.
 
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 And it's a reflection of his
 
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 patriotism and the fact
 
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 that he had a grassroots public support.
 
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 So the family is prominent.
 
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 Jonathan is not doing well as a merchant,
 
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 but he's politically astute.
 
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 and the sons of liberty are
 
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 strong here in connecticut
 
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 overshadowed by boston
 
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 understandably but but
 
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 there's strong support here
 
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 led by the likes of john
 
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 durkee and jedediah
 
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 huntington the merger of
 
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 the two families the
 
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 trumbles and the
 
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 huntingtons represents a
 
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 merger of two of arguably
 
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 the most prominent families
 
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 in connecticut at the time
 
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 certainly eastern connecticut and uh
 
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 political power in the
 
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 Trumbulls and some political power,
 
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 but more financial power
 
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 from the Huntington side
 
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 because Jedediah's father, Jabez,
 
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 is a prominent merchant and
 
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 a member of the General Assembly.
 
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 So that's how Jedediah and
 
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 Faith were introduced by their dads,
 
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 basically.
 
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 Faith is not the first
 
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 person to suffer from
 
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 depression in her family.
 
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 She had a male relative,
 
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 I believe it was an uncle,
 
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 who apparently also
 
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 committed suicide by
 
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 drowning himself in a pond
 
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 in rural bucolic Lebanon,
 
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 Connecticut years prior back in the,
 
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 I think it was the
 
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 seventeen forties or fifties.
 
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 And then along she comes
 
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 born in the seventeen
 
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 forties and has her depression.
 
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 We don't know when it started.
 
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 And my wife is a
 
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 psychologist who
 
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 specializes in this sort of thing,
 
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 but she's manic depressive
 
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 and exhibits depression.
 
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 I think the first example is
 
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 the Boston Tea Party
 
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 embroidery that she made in
 
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 seventeen seventy one, not Tea Party,
 
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 Boston Massacre.
 
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 So the Massacre, as we know,
 
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 is December of seventy.
 
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 And in seventy one,
 
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 she did a black silk
 
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 embroidery that was beautiful.
 
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 I don't have an example to show right now,
 
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 but it's in my book as one
 
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 of the illustrations.
 
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 It's at the Lyman Allen Art Museum.
 
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 For many decades,
 
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 it was misattributed to her mom,
 
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 Faith Robinson Trumbull,
 
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 but it was actually the daughter Faith's.
 
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 And then the embroidery is
 
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 like the one behind my head.
 
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 That's a reproduction.
 
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 These were over mantles that
 
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 were done to hang in her parents' house,
 
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 her childhood home that
 
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 where she grew up with her
 
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 famous later famous brother,
 
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 John and other siblings.
 
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 And it's clear that she's very talented,
 
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 very intelligent.
 
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 And the depression really is
 
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 not manifest other than
 
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 that black silk embroidery.
 
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 We don't have any evidence
 
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 of her depression.
 
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 until war breaks out in
 
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 seventeen seventy five.
 
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 That's what exacerbates.
 
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 That's what worsens her concern.
 
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 She's a very religious person.
 
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 And seventeen seventy five,
 
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 once Jedediah is going to
 
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 be part of the Continental
 
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 Army and her brothers are as well,
 
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 that is a. Perfect storm, if you will,
 
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 coming together,
 
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 a blending of three brothers,
 
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 two brothers in law and a
 
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 husband who are all going
 
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 to be in service one way or the other.
 
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 during the siege of Boston
 
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 in seventy-five following Bunker Hill.
 
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 And so she comes,
 
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 they bring her to Boston
 
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 thinking it would help her
 
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 if she were around her brothers,
 
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 but that turns out to be
 
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 really a disaster for her
 
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 because she arrives just
 
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 after the Battle of Bunker Hill.
 
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 Yes.
 
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 So there were several times where
 
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 jedediah is in communication
 
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 with his father and his
 
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 father-in-law you know
 
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 faith's face father the
 
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 governor and other
 
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 relatives saying okay what
 
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 can we do for faithy as
 
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 they called her in the
 
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 family and they tried a
 
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 couple different ways like
 
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 one was to take her up to
 
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 weddisfield to socialize
 
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 with in-laws there and that
 
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 went okay but you know
 
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 there were days where she
 
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 was gloomy this was like may into june
 
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 And then, as you point out,
 
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 right after Bunker Hill
 
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 just happens to be the day they arrived.
 
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 They had trouble on their
 
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 way there in Providence
 
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 with a broken wagon wheel.
 
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 But they eventually get there.
 
 00:09:01.668 --> 00:09:03.148
 And unfortunately,
 
 00:09:03.168 --> 00:09:04.589
 she's there to paint a picture of it.
 
 00:09:04.688 --> 00:09:06.929
 It's a little bit like the
 
 00:09:06.950 --> 00:09:08.610
 scene in Gone with the Wind
 
 00:09:08.671 --> 00:09:09.750
 in the Civil War scene
 
 00:09:09.770 --> 00:09:11.711
 where you have hundreds of
 
 00:09:11.772 --> 00:09:13.273
 people scattered across
 
 00:09:13.852 --> 00:09:14.692
 nursing their various
 
 00:09:14.773 --> 00:09:16.293
 injuries in the Army hospital.
 
 00:09:16.667 --> 00:09:17.868
 That's likely the scene that
 
 00:09:17.888 --> 00:09:19.469
 she saw when she arrived at
 
 00:09:19.548 --> 00:09:21.331
 Roxbury to the military camp.
 
 00:09:22.272 --> 00:09:23.172
 And that sends her into a
 
 00:09:23.211 --> 00:09:24.092
 deeper depression.
 
 00:09:24.373 --> 00:09:26.235
 So she stays for a couple of
 
 00:09:26.254 --> 00:09:27.515
 days and then realize that
 
 00:09:27.576 --> 00:09:28.817
 everyone realizes, okay,
 
 00:09:29.336 --> 00:09:30.958
 having her a dead of mass
 
 00:09:31.918 --> 00:09:33.360
 is maybe not the best idea.
 
 00:09:33.380 --> 00:09:34.400
 Let's bring her back home.
 
 00:09:35.361 --> 00:09:36.623
 She recovers a little bit,
 
 00:09:37.063 --> 00:09:38.384
 but then she lapses again.
 
 00:09:38.445 --> 00:09:40.826
 So Jedediah and the brothers agree.
 
 00:09:40.966 --> 00:09:42.908
 Okay, let's bring her back to Dedham.
 
 00:09:42.967 --> 00:09:43.589
 Dedham is a,
 
 00:09:44.298 --> 00:09:45.379
 town where they had some
 
 00:09:45.418 --> 00:09:46.639
 family connections through
 
 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.261
 Jedidah's time at Harvard,
 
 00:09:48.682 --> 00:09:50.583
 class of seventeen sixty three.
 
 00:09:51.384 --> 00:09:52.826
 And she'll live at this
 
 00:09:52.865 --> 00:09:54.727
 beautiful mansion and
 
 00:09:54.768 --> 00:09:56.249
 hopefully get the cure that
 
 00:09:56.288 --> 00:09:58.331
 she needs from one or two doctors.
 
 00:09:59.032 --> 00:10:00.493
 It doesn't prove efficacious.
 
 00:10:00.552 --> 00:10:01.573
 It's not effective.
 
 00:10:01.953 --> 00:10:03.296
 They're trying different things.
 
 00:10:03.916 --> 00:10:05.356
 And she unfortunately
 
 00:10:05.918 --> 00:10:07.298
 becomes more depressed.
 
 00:10:07.499 --> 00:10:09.181
 And the ultimate
 
 00:10:09.576 --> 00:10:10.658
 depression occurs right
 
 00:10:10.677 --> 00:10:14.961
 around thanksgiving of so
 
 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:19.024
 years ago this fall if you
 
 00:10:19.083 --> 00:10:20.585
 want I can talk more about
 
 00:10:20.644 --> 00:10:26.187
 yeah we're talking with
 
 00:10:26.229 --> 00:10:28.110
 damien krugo author of
 
 00:10:28.269 --> 00:10:29.510
 portraits of patriots the
 
 00:10:29.530 --> 00:10:30.991
 revolutionary lives of five
 
 00:10:31.032 --> 00:10:32.513
 patriots from connecticut
 
 00:10:33.347 --> 00:10:35.590
 And her brother John, of course,
 
 00:10:36.049 --> 00:10:37.009
 it's actually through John
 
 00:10:37.029 --> 00:10:38.390
 Trumbull that we know about a lot,
 
 00:10:38.510 --> 00:10:39.792
 what a lot of things looked like.
 
 00:10:39.812 --> 00:10:41.933
 He does the painting of the
 
 00:10:41.974 --> 00:10:43.914
 death of Joseph Warren at Bunker Hill.
 
 00:10:43.955 --> 00:10:47.697
 He does paintings of Washington and other,
 
 00:10:47.797 --> 00:10:50.239
 and of course,
 
 00:10:50.278 --> 00:10:50.899
 the signing of the
 
 00:10:50.918 --> 00:10:52.179
 Declaration of Independence
 
 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:53.360
 or the presentation of the
 
 00:10:53.400 --> 00:10:54.782
 Declaration of Independence.
 
 00:10:54.822 --> 00:10:56.342
 So how does John Trumbull go
 
 00:10:56.383 --> 00:10:58.965
 from being a colonel, he's in the army,
 
 00:10:59.365 --> 00:11:01.145
 to being the artist who
 
 00:11:01.186 --> 00:11:02.687
 then depicts the war?
 
 00:11:07.802 --> 00:11:11.865
 I think the fact that he had
 
 00:11:11.904 --> 00:11:13.105
 a relationship with
 
 00:11:13.186 --> 00:11:15.628
 Washington and other officers,
 
 00:11:16.708 --> 00:11:19.071
 John is only serve serves
 
 00:11:19.230 --> 00:11:21.732
 as Washington's aide for nineteen days.
 
 00:11:21.773 --> 00:11:23.033
 So he has the shortest stint
 
 00:11:23.073 --> 00:11:24.514
 of any of the thirty two aides.
 
 00:11:24.875 --> 00:11:27.177
 That being said, his brother,
 
 00:11:27.278 --> 00:11:29.158
 Jonathan Trumbull Jr.,
 
 00:11:29.278 --> 00:11:30.779
 is secretary to Washington
 
 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:32.081
 during the Yorktown siege
 
 00:11:32.642 --> 00:11:34.082
 and then the last two years of the war,
 
 00:11:34.202 --> 00:11:35.283
 eighty two and eighty three.
 
 00:11:35.986 --> 00:11:37.388
 And I think it's through his brother,
 
 00:11:37.427 --> 00:11:40.168
 frankly, who becomes a U.S.
 
 00:11:40.188 --> 00:11:43.130
 Congressman, Speaker of the House, Senator,
 
 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:44.652
 and then Governor of Connecticut.
 
 00:11:45.091 --> 00:11:46.472
 And their father, Jonathan,
 
 00:11:46.613 --> 00:11:48.094
 had some three hundred plus
 
 00:11:48.153 --> 00:11:50.014
 letters between himself and
 
 00:11:50.095 --> 00:11:51.635
 Washington throughout the war.
 
 00:11:52.515 --> 00:11:54.496
 So I think there was a good
 
 00:11:54.557 --> 00:11:55.738
 foundation through the
 
 00:11:55.778 --> 00:11:57.578
 father and the brother to
 
 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:01.681
 allow John Entree, if you will, through
 
 00:12:03.390 --> 00:12:04.331
 the New York capital and
 
 00:12:04.351 --> 00:12:05.412
 geographic proximity.
 
 00:12:05.432 --> 00:12:06.773
 And then it continues when
 
 00:12:06.812 --> 00:12:07.994
 they moved to Philadelphia,
 
 00:12:08.033 --> 00:12:09.315
 but in New York city,
 
 00:12:09.375 --> 00:12:11.135
 John will paint George
 
 00:12:11.176 --> 00:12:14.457
 Washington from life several times.
 
 00:12:15.258 --> 00:12:18.440
 And it takes a while.
 
 00:12:18.500 --> 00:12:20.360
 My book begins that story,
 
 00:12:20.380 --> 00:12:21.381
 but it's really more in the
 
 00:12:21.422 --> 00:12:22.403
 sequel that will come out
 
 00:12:22.442 --> 00:12:25.083
 in a couple of years that John struggles.
 
 00:12:25.684 --> 00:12:26.825
 It's not automatic.
 
 00:12:26.845 --> 00:12:27.044
 You know,
 
 00:12:27.065 --> 00:12:29.667
 his father famously says to his son,
 
 00:12:30.736 --> 00:12:31.876
 So you want to be a painter.
 
 00:12:31.976 --> 00:12:34.258
 Well, you know, Connecticut is in Athens.
 
 00:12:35.298 --> 00:12:36.937
 And if Connecticut is in Athens,
 
 00:12:36.957 --> 00:12:38.099
 then how is John going to
 
 00:12:38.119 --> 00:12:39.438
 make a career of this?
 
 00:12:40.099 --> 00:12:41.058
 And it is a challenge.
 
 00:12:41.099 --> 00:12:42.779
 He's painting family members.
 
 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.080
 He's painting neighbors.
 
 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:45.440
 He's painting some other
 
 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:46.200
 prominent people in
 
 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:47.880
 Connecticut throughout the
 
 00:12:47.921 --> 00:12:49.020
 seventeen seventies in the
 
 00:12:49.041 --> 00:12:49.841
 American Revolution.
 
 00:12:49.880 --> 00:12:52.062
 But just because he studies
 
 00:12:52.121 --> 00:12:53.381
 under Benjamin West and his
 
 00:12:53.422 --> 00:12:54.302
 roommates with Gilbert
 
 00:12:54.322 --> 00:12:55.341
 Stewart doesn't mean it's
 
 00:12:55.461 --> 00:12:56.863
 automatically going to be a
 
 00:12:56.923 --> 00:12:58.082
 professional career for him.
 
 00:12:58.515 --> 00:12:59.576
 That really doesn't happen
 
 00:12:59.657 --> 00:13:00.856
 until the federal era in
 
 00:13:00.876 --> 00:13:02.258
 the seventeen nineties.
 
 00:13:02.998 --> 00:13:05.558
 And it comes in fits and spurts.
 
 00:13:05.578 --> 00:13:08.399
 So like any artist, he has struggled,
 
 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:08.700
 you know,
 
 00:13:08.740 --> 00:13:10.260
 struggling times even in the
 
 00:13:10.301 --> 00:13:12.282
 seventeen nineties.
 
 00:13:13.081 --> 00:13:13.643
 Yeah, he does.
 
 00:13:13.822 --> 00:13:15.182
 So how does he wind up
 
 00:13:15.243 --> 00:13:17.244
 studying with Benjamin West?
 
 00:13:17.264 --> 00:13:18.245
 I mean, he was in London.
 
 00:13:18.585 --> 00:13:19.924
 Can you tell us a bit about
 
 00:13:19.985 --> 00:13:20.806
 that connection?
 
 00:13:23.307 --> 00:13:25.648
 Yeah, my memory is because
 
 00:13:26.557 --> 00:13:28.697
 I wrote about this three years ago,
 
 00:13:28.839 --> 00:13:30.480
 so it's not fresh in my head.
 
 00:13:30.500 --> 00:13:31.500
 And it's in my second book.
 
 00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:34.642
 My recollection is that his
 
 00:13:34.721 --> 00:13:36.462
 father wrote a letter of introduction,
 
 00:13:37.104 --> 00:13:38.423
 as did a couple others.
 
 00:13:38.504 --> 00:13:39.745
 It could have been Washington.
 
 00:13:39.784 --> 00:13:41.605
 There were several prominent people,
 
 00:13:42.206 --> 00:13:43.246
 John Adams perhaps,
 
 00:13:43.287 --> 00:13:44.168
 who wrote letters of
 
 00:13:44.227 --> 00:13:46.229
 introduction so that when
 
 00:13:46.448 --> 00:13:47.769
 he arrived at Benjamin
 
 00:13:47.850 --> 00:13:50.392
 West's studio in London,
 
 00:13:50.991 --> 00:13:52.572
 he would have received
 
 00:13:54.807 --> 00:13:55.889
 a warm introduction,
 
 00:13:55.929 --> 00:13:57.892
 a warm welcome from Benjamin West.
 
 00:14:00.434 --> 00:14:02.158
 The other aspect, by the way,
 
 00:14:02.278 --> 00:14:03.479
 that people forget is that
 
 00:14:03.899 --> 00:14:05.861
 Trumbull is also at times
 
 00:14:05.922 --> 00:14:07.825
 working for his father as
 
 00:14:07.865 --> 00:14:09.086
 an agent of his father's
 
 00:14:09.166 --> 00:14:10.408
 mercantile business until
 
 00:14:10.427 --> 00:14:11.568
 his dad passes away.
 
 00:14:12.375 --> 00:14:13.515
 in the seventeen eighties.
 
 00:14:13.716 --> 00:14:15.057
 I'm talking during the revolution.
 
 00:14:15.076 --> 00:14:15.297
 Right.
 
 00:14:15.357 --> 00:14:16.357
 Right.
 
 00:14:16.378 --> 00:14:17.418
 There was also the rumor
 
 00:14:17.458 --> 00:14:18.500
 that Trumbull might have
 
 00:14:19.061 --> 00:14:20.961
 served as an intelligence officer.
 
 00:14:21.442 --> 00:14:23.024
 There's no proof of that.
 
 00:14:23.884 --> 00:14:24.904
 It's circumstantial,
 
 00:14:25.044 --> 00:14:26.466
 but it's one of the reasons
 
 00:14:26.506 --> 00:14:28.227
 when when John Andre is
 
 00:14:28.388 --> 00:14:31.850
 captured by the Patriots and then hanged,
 
 00:14:33.613 --> 00:14:34.813
 that's why the British went
 
 00:14:34.854 --> 00:14:36.174
 and arrested John Trumbull
 
 00:14:36.215 --> 00:14:38.176
 at his house in London and
 
 00:14:38.235 --> 00:14:40.158
 tried to establish that the
 
 00:14:40.197 --> 00:14:41.339
 papers found on him
 
 00:14:42.273 --> 00:14:43.714
 made him suspicious of being
 
 00:14:43.754 --> 00:14:45.693
 a spy but there was no
 
 00:14:45.754 --> 00:14:46.934
 proof so they they put him
 
 00:14:46.975 --> 00:14:48.936
 under house arrest since he
 
 00:14:48.956 --> 00:14:50.176
 was an officer and a
 
 00:14:50.235 --> 00:14:52.616
 gentleman but um he that's
 
 00:14:52.657 --> 00:14:54.038
 when he starts to resume
 
 00:14:54.057 --> 00:14:54.998
 his painting and that's
 
 00:14:55.018 --> 00:14:57.298
 when he paints the famous I
 
 00:14:57.339 --> 00:14:59.779
 think it's in he paints uh
 
 00:15:00.220 --> 00:15:01.000
 his first portrait of
 
 00:15:01.059 --> 00:15:03.260
 washington from memory with
 
 00:15:03.380 --> 00:15:04.841
 william otherwise known as
 
 00:15:04.902 --> 00:15:07.302
 billy lee and the scene is west point
 
 00:15:16.982 --> 00:15:18.784
 And if I continue, um,
 
 00:15:18.825 --> 00:15:21.667
 since we may have lost Bob temporarily,
 
 00:15:22.467 --> 00:15:23.769
 uh, let me know when you're back on, I'll,
 
 00:15:23.828 --> 00:15:27.312
 I'll just say that, um,
 
 00:15:27.351 --> 00:15:30.735
 the book sets up the
 
 00:15:30.754 --> 00:15:32.256
 importance of the officers
 
 00:15:32.456 --> 00:15:33.738
 in the continental army,
 
 00:15:33.857 --> 00:15:34.798
 whether it's Jedediah
 
 00:15:34.839 --> 00:15:36.620
 Huntington or Ebenezer Huntington,
 
 00:15:36.660 --> 00:15:37.782
 his younger half brother.
 
 00:15:38.282 --> 00:15:39.363
 That's one of the key themes
 
 00:15:39.383 --> 00:15:40.484
 is the concern they have
 
 00:15:40.524 --> 00:15:42.365
 for the soldiers that
 
 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:44.662
 They weren't just officers
 
 00:15:44.702 --> 00:15:45.823
 who were comfortable born
 
 00:15:45.844 --> 00:15:47.024
 with silver spoons in their mouths.
 
 00:15:47.044 --> 00:15:47.264
 Yes,
 
 00:15:47.284 --> 00:15:48.586
 they had nice houses and nice
 
 00:15:48.645 --> 00:15:50.868
 upbringings and could speak, you know,
 
 00:15:50.927 --> 00:15:52.448
 some French or Latin, but,
 
 00:15:52.909 --> 00:15:53.529
 and most of them had
 
 00:15:53.549 --> 00:15:54.510
 graduated from college,
 
 00:15:55.172 --> 00:15:56.552
 but they had a deep concern.
 
 00:15:56.572 --> 00:15:57.734
 One of the things I found in
 
 00:15:57.774 --> 00:15:58.794
 my research over the last
 
 00:15:58.815 --> 00:16:00.355
 six years is they had a
 
 00:16:00.395 --> 00:16:01.236
 deep concern for the
 
 00:16:01.277 --> 00:16:02.437
 welfare of their soldiers.
 
 00:16:02.498 --> 00:16:03.798
 And that's something I bring
 
 00:16:03.839 --> 00:16:05.461
 to light in the book, for example,
 
 00:16:05.880 --> 00:16:09.043
 at Valley Forge, you know,
 
 00:16:09.692 --> 00:16:11.014
 repeatedly jedediah
 
 00:16:11.053 --> 00:16:12.554
 huntington is saying we
 
 00:16:12.595 --> 00:16:14.075
 need more we need more and
 
 00:16:14.115 --> 00:16:15.316
 his letters back to home
 
 00:16:15.956 --> 00:16:17.616
 and the initial time at
 
 00:16:17.636 --> 00:16:18.498
 valley forge was the
 
 00:16:18.557 --> 00:16:19.578
 toughest december of
 
 00:16:19.619 --> 00:16:20.818
 seventy seven to january
 
 00:16:20.859 --> 00:16:22.120
 seventy eight by february
 
 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.740
 seventy eight based on the
 
 00:16:23.760 --> 00:16:24.921
 letters of huntington and
 
 00:16:25.361 --> 00:16:26.741
 the memoirs of joseph plum
 
 00:16:26.782 --> 00:16:28.383
 martin you know the famous
 
 00:16:28.523 --> 00:16:30.163
 private turn sergeant from
 
 00:16:30.264 --> 00:16:31.264
 connecticut and maine
 
 00:16:32.168 --> 00:16:33.629
 We know that Connecticut did
 
 00:16:33.668 --> 00:16:34.408
 become known as the
 
 00:16:34.448 --> 00:16:35.690
 provision state and that
 
 00:16:35.830 --> 00:16:36.831
 Jonathan Trumbull as
 
 00:16:36.890 --> 00:16:38.231
 governor was coordinating
 
 00:16:38.251 --> 00:16:39.413
 with the Champion family
 
 00:16:39.432 --> 00:16:40.613
 and others to bring the
 
 00:16:40.653 --> 00:16:42.355
 beef and other supplies down.
 
 00:16:42.995 --> 00:16:44.995
 But initially it was rough
 
 00:16:45.436 --> 00:16:46.557
 and Valley Forge was
 
 00:16:46.836 --> 00:16:48.398
 definitely a difficult time.
 
 00:16:48.859 --> 00:16:49.818
 So that's one of the themes
 
 00:16:49.859 --> 00:16:51.100
 is concern for the soldiers.
 
 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:52.081
 Right.
 
 00:16:52.140 --> 00:16:53.081
 Where do you think that comes from?
 
 00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:54.182
 Is that from the ethic,
 
 00:16:54.221 --> 00:16:55.702
 the New England ethic or is
 
 00:16:55.722 --> 00:16:57.203
 it sort of just?
 
 00:17:00.307 --> 00:17:02.028
 compassionate and interested
 
 00:17:02.067 --> 00:17:06.549
 in the welfare of the men who served.
 
 00:17:06.890 --> 00:17:07.911
 It's a good question, Bob.
 
 00:17:07.931 --> 00:17:09.090
 Something I've never considered,
 
 00:17:09.310 --> 00:17:10.612
 but my initial thought is
 
 00:17:11.392 --> 00:17:13.093
 their strong New England
 
 00:17:13.133 --> 00:17:15.233
 congregational faith that as Christians,
 
 00:17:15.253 --> 00:17:16.153
 they felt a moral
 
 00:17:16.193 --> 00:17:18.634
 responsibility to help others.
 
 00:17:19.036 --> 00:17:21.356
 I know they said that about faith in her.
 
 00:17:22.196 --> 00:17:23.617
 After she, I never mentioned it,
 
 00:17:23.637 --> 00:17:24.778
 but she hangs herself.
 
 00:17:24.798 --> 00:17:26.439
 She hanged herself with a rope.
 
 00:17:27.576 --> 00:17:28.277
 That Thanksgiving is
 
 00:17:28.297 --> 00:17:29.577
 seventeen seventy five.
 
 00:17:29.597 --> 00:17:30.898
 And the reason is she's
 
 00:17:30.939 --> 00:17:32.980
 despondent that her husband, Jedediah,
 
 00:17:33.980 --> 00:17:35.441
 her three brothers, Joseph,
 
 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.602
 John and Jonathan Junior,
 
 00:17:36.902 --> 00:17:38.102
 and two brother in laws,
 
 00:17:38.241 --> 00:17:39.423
 Joshua and another.
 
 00:17:39.462 --> 00:17:39.982
 I can't think of.
 
 00:17:40.423 --> 00:17:41.483
 We're all not going to
 
 00:17:41.544 --> 00:17:43.305
 attend the family dinner
 
 00:17:43.444 --> 00:17:45.205
 for Thanksgiving in Dedham.
 
 00:17:46.507 --> 00:17:47.846
 So she couldn't take it.
 
 00:17:47.886 --> 00:17:48.667
 She said, oh, my God,
 
 00:17:48.708 --> 00:17:49.508
 that that means they're
 
 00:17:49.607 --> 00:17:50.588
 going to die there.
 
 00:17:50.669 --> 00:17:52.250
 And she wound up being the one who dies.
 
 00:17:53.950 --> 00:17:55.111
 So I.
 
 00:17:55.588 --> 00:17:56.548
 I think one of the things
 
 00:17:56.568 --> 00:17:59.029
 that came out in her eulogy
 
 00:17:59.049 --> 00:18:00.191
 from the minister here back
 
 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:01.131
 in Connecticut was her
 
 00:18:01.191 --> 00:18:02.790
 concern for the welfare of
 
 00:18:02.830 --> 00:18:03.771
 the common person.
 
 00:18:04.711 --> 00:18:06.393
 And I think that comes from
 
 00:18:06.472 --> 00:18:09.614
 her very spiritual, very religious family,
 
 00:18:10.134 --> 00:18:12.414
 the Trumbulls, Jonathan Sr.
 
 00:18:12.494 --> 00:18:13.795
 and Faith Robinson.
 
 00:18:14.075 --> 00:18:16.316
 And I think it's part of
 
 00:18:16.336 --> 00:18:19.297
 that New England ethic in my sense.
 
 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:20.471
 similar to what we have
 
 00:18:20.510 --> 00:18:22.031
 today with churches looking
 
 00:18:22.092 --> 00:18:23.153
 out for the welfare of others.
 
 00:18:23.173 --> 00:18:24.153
 Yeah.
 
 00:18:24.233 --> 00:18:25.755
 Also, I wonder if we can talk a little bit,
 
 00:18:26.035 --> 00:18:26.355
 Damian,
 
 00:18:26.375 --> 00:18:28.277
 about then these communities that form.
 
 00:18:28.297 --> 00:18:30.838
 I mean, these military companies, I mean,
 
 00:18:30.858 --> 00:18:31.460
 it's referred to as
 
 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:32.480
 Huntington's Regiment.
 
 00:18:32.540 --> 00:18:34.481
 I mean, you have this very personal thing,
 
 00:18:34.602 --> 00:18:35.884
 and the men, of course,
 
 00:18:35.903 --> 00:18:37.884
 are recruited from the immediate area,
 
 00:18:37.964 --> 00:18:40.666
 so the militias would have been together,
 
 00:18:40.788 --> 00:18:41.067
 and then
 
 00:18:41.549 --> 00:18:42.951
 When they become part of the
 
 00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:43.912
 Continental Army,
 
 00:18:43.951 --> 00:18:46.394
 they still have this connection,
 
 00:18:46.413 --> 00:18:48.695
 this community connection that persists,
 
 00:18:48.776 --> 00:18:49.797
 even as they become part of
 
 00:18:49.817 --> 00:18:54.921
 this larger organization.
 
 00:18:54.961 --> 00:18:56.082
 Well, yes and no.
 
 00:18:56.143 --> 00:18:57.304
 In other words, yes,
 
 00:18:57.364 --> 00:18:58.724
 the longer you had served
 
 00:18:58.805 --> 00:18:59.826
 under Huntington's, let's say,
 
 00:18:59.865 --> 00:19:01.186
 let's take his early ones,
 
 00:19:01.227 --> 00:19:02.508
 like the twentieth or
 
 00:19:02.567 --> 00:19:03.648
 seventeenth regiments.
 
 00:19:04.855 --> 00:19:05.757
 early on, yeah,
 
 00:19:05.797 --> 00:19:06.636
 they are definitely going
 
 00:19:06.656 --> 00:19:09.299
 to tend to be Norwich and
 
 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:10.221
 surrounding communities,
 
 00:19:10.300 --> 00:19:11.583
 basically in London County
 
 00:19:11.623 --> 00:19:13.163
 here in Southeastern Connecticut.
 
 00:19:13.924 --> 00:19:15.286
 Once it's Continental Army,
 
 00:19:16.166 --> 00:19:17.208
 what's interesting when you
 
 00:19:17.248 --> 00:19:18.690
 look at the muster rolls
 
 00:19:18.730 --> 00:19:19.971
 that are available through
 
 00:19:20.652 --> 00:19:21.833
 colonial revival,
 
 00:19:21.932 --> 00:19:25.676
 turn of the century transcribed books,
 
 00:19:26.258 --> 00:19:26.518
 like
 
 00:19:27.130 --> 00:19:28.010
 the Connecticut men in the
 
 00:19:28.030 --> 00:19:28.871
 American Revolution,
 
 00:19:29.211 --> 00:19:31.534
 you see a wide swath of towns.
 
 00:19:31.794 --> 00:19:32.894
 It's not any one county.
 
 00:19:32.914 --> 00:19:34.695
 It doesn't even have to be any one state.
 
 00:19:35.156 --> 00:19:36.238
 You could draw from Rhode
 
 00:19:36.298 --> 00:19:37.858
 Island if you happen to have,
 
 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:40.681
 and in Butler's regiment, they did that.
 
 00:19:40.721 --> 00:19:42.482
 It straddled Connecticut and Rhode Island.
 
 00:19:42.962 --> 00:19:45.265
 In Huntington's case, he and Durkee,
 
 00:19:45.766 --> 00:19:47.866
 each being commanders at that point,
 
 00:19:48.007 --> 00:19:50.789
 circa early-Seventy-Seven of regiments,
 
 00:19:51.569 --> 00:19:52.250
 they were basically
 
 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:53.372
 competing from the same bull.
 
 00:19:54.368 --> 00:19:55.128
 And it was a struggle.
 
 00:19:55.169 --> 00:19:56.309
 And I talk about this in my
 
 00:19:56.369 --> 00:19:57.910
 seventeen seventy seven chapter.
 
 00:19:58.810 --> 00:19:58.971
 Now,
 
 00:19:59.250 --> 00:20:01.392
 once Jedediah is a brigadier general
 
 00:20:01.471 --> 00:20:03.092
 following the Battle of Richfield,
 
 00:20:04.313 --> 00:20:05.413
 apparently George
 
 00:20:05.452 --> 00:20:06.733
 Washington's request and
 
 00:20:06.773 --> 00:20:07.854
 Roger Sherman is the
 
 00:20:07.933 --> 00:20:09.334
 facilitator with Congress
 
 00:20:09.354 --> 00:20:11.075
 to to make that promotion.
 
 00:20:12.695 --> 00:20:15.497
 Huntington's swath widens so
 
 00:20:15.537 --> 00:20:17.336
 that you have I think it's the first,
 
 00:20:17.376 --> 00:20:19.097
 third, fifth and seventh brigades.
 
 00:20:19.938 --> 00:20:22.019
 at Valley Forge, and then, of course,
 
 00:20:22.219 --> 00:20:24.200
 at the Balamamath in the
 
 00:20:24.280 --> 00:20:25.340
 summer of seventy eight.
 
 00:20:26.281 --> 00:20:27.261
 And when you look at the
 
 00:20:27.301 --> 00:20:28.663
 composition of those regiments,
 
 00:20:28.682 --> 00:20:29.763
 you're you're looking at at
 
 00:20:29.824 --> 00:20:34.205
 least six counties in Connecticut.
 
 00:20:34.246 --> 00:20:38.989
 We're talking with the communities.
 
 00:20:39.028 --> 00:20:39.868
 I'll just mention one more
 
 00:20:39.888 --> 00:20:41.971
 thing in terms of a sense of community.
 
 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:43.791
 We'll mention the diversity.
 
 00:20:43.892 --> 00:20:45.792
 It's not just the white Christians,
 
 00:20:45.853 --> 00:20:47.653
 but also and I created this
 
 00:20:48.826 --> 00:20:49.605
 handle if you will
 
 00:20:49.645 --> 00:20:50.926
 expression partnership and
 
 00:20:50.987 --> 00:20:52.548
 patriotism I came up with
 
 00:20:52.567 --> 00:20:54.189
 that several years ago when
 
 00:20:54.209 --> 00:20:55.169
 I was doing research with
 
 00:20:55.229 --> 00:20:56.349
 my colleague dane rue on
 
 00:20:56.369 --> 00:20:58.471
 the uss confederacy because
 
 00:20:58.510 --> 00:20:59.550
 what I encountered were you
 
 00:20:59.570 --> 00:21:01.172
 know native americans
 
 00:21:01.291 --> 00:21:02.313
 african americans what have
 
 00:21:02.333 --> 00:21:03.553
 you and there were a
 
 00:21:03.713 --> 00:21:05.914
 sizable number of soldiers
 
 00:21:05.954 --> 00:21:07.174
 who were people of color
 
 00:21:07.695 --> 00:21:09.757
 serving in jerky's regiment
 
 00:21:09.797 --> 00:21:10.856
 or huntington's regiment
 
 00:21:10.936 --> 00:21:12.857
 including several from the
 
 00:21:12.877 --> 00:21:14.318
 mohegan tribe and several from the
 
 00:21:15.560 --> 00:21:17.743
 nashatucket pequot uh tribe
 
 00:21:17.763 --> 00:21:19.546
 as well and then araganzas
 
 00:21:19.566 --> 00:21:21.769
 and others and so when
 
 00:21:21.788 --> 00:21:22.309
 you're thinking of
 
 00:21:22.369 --> 00:21:25.073
 communities it's it's um
 
 00:21:25.153 --> 00:21:26.815
 it's some soldiers who are
 
 00:21:26.875 --> 00:21:29.378
 from native american communities as well
 
 00:21:30.825 --> 00:21:31.144
 Interesting.
 
 00:21:31.164 --> 00:21:32.685
 We're talking with Damon Krugo,
 
 00:21:32.705 --> 00:21:33.946
 who is the author of
 
 00:21:34.126 --> 00:21:35.347
 Portraits of Patriots,
 
 00:21:35.367 --> 00:21:36.667
 the Revolutionary Lives of
 
 00:21:36.728 --> 00:21:38.429
 Five Patriots from Connecticut.
 
 00:21:39.309 --> 00:21:41.431
 I think you mentioned the
 
 00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:43.172
 Mohegans and the USS Confederacy.
 
 00:21:43.231 --> 00:21:43.991
 I wonder if we can talk a
 
 00:21:44.011 --> 00:21:45.853
 little bit about that ship
 
 00:21:46.253 --> 00:21:48.315
 and the connection of the
 
 00:21:48.335 --> 00:21:50.296
 Mohegans with the building of the ship.
 
 00:21:53.758 --> 00:21:55.097
 So in my introduction,
 
 00:21:55.198 --> 00:21:57.880
 I mentioned the harrowing time.
 
 00:21:58.400 --> 00:21:59.721
 It was harrowing at the time, and it's
 
 00:22:00.232 --> 00:22:01.233
 amazing to look back.
 
 00:22:01.693 --> 00:22:03.015
 It was March of twenty twenty.
 
 00:22:04.135 --> 00:22:05.317
 We didn't know how bad the
 
 00:22:05.356 --> 00:22:06.698
 COVID pandemic would get,
 
 00:22:07.377 --> 00:22:08.159
 but I had made an
 
 00:22:08.199 --> 00:22:11.300
 appointment in February for Friday,
 
 00:22:11.361 --> 00:22:12.182
 March thirteenth,
 
 00:22:12.221 --> 00:22:13.603
 Friday the thirteenth to go
 
 00:22:13.623 --> 00:22:15.364
 to Philadelphia with my wife, Pam,
 
 00:22:16.085 --> 00:22:17.286
 and to look at the USS
 
 00:22:17.306 --> 00:22:18.527
 Confederacy papers.
 
 00:22:19.988 --> 00:22:24.691
 And the appointment was respected.
 
 00:22:24.790 --> 00:22:25.612
 I could show up,
 
 00:22:25.811 --> 00:22:27.192
 but it was really the last
 
 00:22:27.232 --> 00:22:28.253
 day that the public were
 
 00:22:28.294 --> 00:22:29.535
 allowed to come in.
 
 00:22:30.413 --> 00:22:31.294
 know people were already
 
 00:22:31.334 --> 00:22:32.193
 shutting down in
 
 00:22:32.474 --> 00:22:33.355
 philadelphia and other
 
 00:22:33.414 --> 00:22:34.476
 places because of what was
 
 00:22:34.516 --> 00:22:35.517
 going on in europe and the
 
 00:22:35.576 --> 00:22:36.376
 middle east at the time
 
 00:22:37.617 --> 00:22:38.979
 that saturday so we got in
 
 00:22:38.999 --> 00:22:39.920
 there and we looked at the
 
 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:40.820
 papers of the uss
 
 00:22:40.861 --> 00:22:41.820
 confederacy and we found
 
 00:22:41.861 --> 00:22:43.442
 the pay stubs I wanted that
 
 00:22:43.502 --> 00:22:44.844
 were the originals that
 
 00:22:44.923 --> 00:22:46.865
 proved that blacks and
 
 00:22:46.904 --> 00:22:47.905
 native americans had been
 
 00:22:48.286 --> 00:22:51.648
 paid by um the naval agent
 
 00:22:51.689 --> 00:22:52.769
 joshua huntington living
 
 00:22:52.788 --> 00:22:53.849
 next door brother of
 
 00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:56.791
 jedediah on sunday we were
 
 00:22:56.811 --> 00:22:57.673
 at valley forge
 
 00:22:58.088 --> 00:22:59.410
 famous for losing more
 
 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:01.269
 people to disease than any
 
 00:23:01.329 --> 00:23:02.951
 battle in the American Revolution.
 
 00:23:03.391 --> 00:23:04.711
 Thousands of soldiers died
 
 00:23:04.730 --> 00:23:05.932
 there of disease and
 
 00:23:05.991 --> 00:23:06.991
 complications from it.
 
 00:23:07.673 --> 00:23:10.394
 And we're there on Sunday the fifteenth,
 
 00:23:10.453 --> 00:23:11.713
 and then the country shuts
 
 00:23:11.733 --> 00:23:13.595
 down completely on Monday and Tuesday,
 
 00:23:13.634 --> 00:23:14.654
 the sixteenth and seventeenth.
 
 00:23:15.214 --> 00:23:16.556
 So that was really interesting.
 
 00:23:17.016 --> 00:23:20.196
 So I brought on my colleague, Dane Rue.
 
 00:23:20.257 --> 00:23:21.337
 We wrote an article for
 
 00:23:21.377 --> 00:23:22.518
 Connecticut History Review,
 
 00:23:22.557 --> 00:23:23.778
 a scholarly article about
 
 00:23:23.817 --> 00:23:25.138
 the USS Confederacy.
 
 00:23:25.669 --> 00:23:26.569
 And it's fascinating story
 
 00:23:26.589 --> 00:23:27.330
 because most people don't
 
 00:23:27.431 --> 00:23:28.332
 know that a U.S.
 
 00:23:28.352 --> 00:23:29.673
 Navy frigate had been built here.
 
 00:23:29.692 --> 00:23:31.334
 There's so much about the
 
 00:23:31.394 --> 00:23:32.895
 privateering aspect when it
 
 00:23:32.935 --> 00:23:34.457
 comes to Connecticut, and rightly so.
 
 00:23:34.517 --> 00:23:35.377
 The privateering was
 
 00:23:35.397 --> 00:23:37.140
 successful with ships like
 
 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.561
 the Oliver Cromwell out of Essex.
 
 00:23:40.482 --> 00:23:42.644
 Seth Harding was actually in
 
 00:23:42.684 --> 00:23:43.546
 charge of the Oliver
 
 00:23:43.566 --> 00:23:44.707
 Cromwell early in the war.
 
 00:23:45.047 --> 00:23:45.968
 He will take command.
 
 00:23:45.988 --> 00:23:48.430
 He's from here in Norwich in
 
 00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:49.230
 his adult life.
 
 00:23:51.521 --> 00:23:54.423
 the ship sails from Norwich
 
 00:23:54.443 --> 00:23:55.204
 down to New London.
 
 00:23:55.224 --> 00:23:55.484
 Well,
 
 00:23:55.545 --> 00:23:56.945
 it's towed down to New London for
 
 00:23:57.066 --> 00:23:57.527
 outfitting.
 
 00:23:58.207 --> 00:23:59.307
 And the interesting thing is
 
 00:23:59.327 --> 00:24:00.990
 that it's the last chapter of my book.
 
 00:24:01.069 --> 00:24:02.171
 I decided that I would,
 
 00:24:02.770 --> 00:24:03.771
 I had two hundred thousand
 
 00:24:03.852 --> 00:24:06.013
 words at the end of my
 
 00:24:06.054 --> 00:24:07.775
 manuscript as of September
 
 00:24:07.795 --> 00:24:08.315
 of twenty three.
 
 00:24:08.335 --> 00:24:09.296
 And I realized, oh, my goodness,
 
 00:24:09.316 --> 00:24:10.596
 I have to cut my book in half.
 
 00:24:10.938 --> 00:24:12.798
 So I cut it at seventeen seventy nine,
 
 00:24:12.878 --> 00:24:15.300
 just as the ship is finally
 
 00:24:16.082 --> 00:24:17.021
 heading out to sea.
 
 00:24:17.482 --> 00:24:20.065
 But the letters between the naval agents
 
 00:24:20.854 --> 00:24:22.835
 and Seth Harding are
 
 00:24:23.375 --> 00:24:25.276
 entertaining because of
 
 00:24:25.316 --> 00:24:26.375
 some of the wording that
 
 00:24:26.875 --> 00:24:29.317
 what we take is modern and not quaint.
 
 00:24:29.596 --> 00:24:31.938
 For example, one of the naval agents says,
 
 00:24:32.478 --> 00:24:34.259
 this ship has been here so long,
 
 00:24:34.358 --> 00:24:36.638
 get this eyesore out of the harbor,
 
 00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:38.799
 and quotes like that.
 
 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:39.901
 And so those are in the last
 
 00:24:39.921 --> 00:24:40.820
 chapter of my book,
 
 00:24:41.181 --> 00:24:41.861
 and I leave it as a
 
 00:24:41.901 --> 00:24:43.402
 cliffhanger as to what
 
 00:24:43.461 --> 00:24:44.521
 happens with the ship.
 
 00:24:44.801 --> 00:24:46.623
 Okay, so it sets out to sea finally,
 
 00:24:47.442 --> 00:24:49.743
 may of and then the sequel
 
 00:24:49.824 --> 00:24:51.544
 opens up with it going to
 
 00:24:51.604 --> 00:24:52.744
 philadelphia where it picks
 
 00:24:52.805 --> 00:24:54.464
 up founding father john jay
 
 00:24:54.484 --> 00:24:57.925
 right and the french
 
 00:24:57.986 --> 00:24:59.086
 ministers your heart who
 
 00:24:59.146 --> 00:25:01.606
 are bound back yet uh back
 
 00:25:01.666 --> 00:25:03.327
 to yes yes and it's a
 
 00:25:03.387 --> 00:25:04.768
 beautiful ship I I also
 
 00:25:04.788 --> 00:25:05.868
 want to mention that the
 
 00:25:05.909 --> 00:25:07.169
 chapter near the end of my
 
 00:25:07.209 --> 00:25:09.470
 book explains what a
 
 00:25:09.529 --> 00:25:11.190
 beautiful design unusual
 
 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:12.510
 design it is in the ship
 
 00:25:12.550 --> 00:25:15.050
 modeling in uh hobby it's
 
 00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:16.571
 considered the best looking
 
 00:25:17.332 --> 00:25:19.673
 Continental Navy frigate for
 
 00:25:19.692 --> 00:25:20.573
 the American Revolution,
 
 00:25:20.932 --> 00:25:21.894
 even though it's not famous,
 
 00:25:22.213 --> 00:25:23.094
 even though it's not the
 
 00:25:23.134 --> 00:25:24.794
 Constitution of years later
 
 00:25:24.934 --> 00:25:27.434
 or one of the more successful ships.
 
 00:25:28.155 --> 00:25:32.076
 Who designed it, do we know?
 
 00:25:32.096 --> 00:25:32.916
 Good question, Bob.
 
 00:25:32.977 --> 00:25:34.218
 We don't really know.
 
 00:25:34.597 --> 00:25:35.597
 There had been a naval
 
 00:25:35.617 --> 00:25:36.357
 architect down in
 
 00:25:36.417 --> 00:25:39.098
 Philadelphia for the hub, if you will,
 
 00:25:39.159 --> 00:25:40.319
 of the Continental Navy.
 
 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.579
 And at one point,
 
 00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:42.960
 Joshua writes a letter to
 
 00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:44.621
 the Department of the Navy saying,
 
 00:25:45.365 --> 00:25:46.326
 what do you want me to do as
 
 00:25:46.365 --> 00:25:47.125
 far as the design?
 
 00:25:47.185 --> 00:25:49.087
 And they write back and they said,
 
 00:25:49.127 --> 00:25:51.368
 see to it as you wish and
 
 00:25:51.429 --> 00:25:52.609
 go with whatever design you want.
 
 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:53.971
 And that's why the design's quirky.
 
 00:25:54.010 --> 00:25:54.570
 The length,
 
 00:25:54.951 --> 00:25:57.393
 it's longer than most ships and
 
 00:25:57.472 --> 00:25:59.234
 it has features to its bow
 
 00:25:59.275 --> 00:26:00.776
 that make it unusual and
 
 00:26:00.836 --> 00:26:02.696
 rather some would say dated.
 
 00:26:02.977 --> 00:26:03.897
 You know,
 
 00:26:03.938 --> 00:26:05.138
 if you're talking to people who
 
 00:26:05.199 --> 00:26:06.319
 are in the modeling hobby
 
 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:07.740
 or work at Mystic Seaport
 
 00:26:07.780 --> 00:26:08.621
 where Dane and I have
 
 00:26:08.681 --> 00:26:10.182
 spoken years ago on the ship.
 
 00:26:12.153 --> 00:26:14.173
 So it turns out it's built
 
 00:26:14.434 --> 00:26:15.815
 on the Thames River just
 
 00:26:15.855 --> 00:26:16.516
 across from where
 
 00:26:16.576 --> 00:26:18.017
 modern-day Mohegan Sun is
 
 00:26:18.057 --> 00:26:20.097
 located on what became
 
 00:26:20.137 --> 00:26:21.598
 known as Confederacy Cove
 
 00:26:21.638 --> 00:26:23.079
 because that's the most
 
 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:24.320
 famous ship ever built at
 
 00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:25.422
 this small shipyard.
 
 00:26:25.821 --> 00:26:27.103
 The shipyard is
 
 00:26:28.104 --> 00:26:29.204
 owned the land and the
 
 00:26:29.244 --> 00:26:31.026
 tavern where they will all
 
 00:26:31.326 --> 00:26:33.508
 operate out of is Ebenezer Story.
 
 00:26:33.907 --> 00:26:35.809
 It's an archaeological site that's intact,
 
 00:26:35.869 --> 00:26:36.349
 thankfully.
 
 00:26:36.869 --> 00:26:37.651
 And they've done a couple
 
 00:26:38.030 --> 00:26:39.332
 successful digs there.
 
 00:26:39.913 --> 00:26:41.493
 And the actual shipwright is
 
 00:26:41.534 --> 00:26:43.154
 someone named Jedediah Willett.
 
 00:26:43.755 --> 00:26:44.976
 And Jedediah Willett had
 
 00:26:45.016 --> 00:26:46.257
 previous experience with
 
 00:26:46.376 --> 00:26:48.358
 other smaller floating
 
 00:26:48.398 --> 00:26:50.059
 vessels that were built in
 
 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.342
 the proper harbor of Norwich,
 
 00:26:52.622 --> 00:26:53.521
 just upstream,
 
 00:26:54.522 --> 00:26:55.943
 what we call Chelsea Harbor,
 
 00:26:56.044 --> 00:26:56.924
 where downtown
 
 00:26:57.315 --> 00:26:59.056
 norwich is nowadays they
 
 00:26:59.115 --> 00:27:01.076
 built at least one uh along
 
 00:27:01.096 --> 00:27:02.457
 with some others uh there
 
 00:27:02.477 --> 00:27:04.597
 was a lester I know also
 
 00:27:04.637 --> 00:27:06.659
 helped this it was a uh one
 
 00:27:06.679 --> 00:27:08.119
 of the galleys and then
 
 00:27:08.180 --> 00:27:09.420
 later on they're going to
 
 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:10.881
 uh and and that galley
 
 00:27:10.921 --> 00:27:12.300
 course had been captured it
 
 00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:13.501
 was called the uss trumbull
 
 00:27:13.521 --> 00:27:15.282
 and was captured during the
 
 00:27:15.563 --> 00:27:17.523
 new york uh battle campaign
 
 00:27:17.564 --> 00:27:21.265
 in and then later on a u.s
 
 00:27:21.325 --> 00:27:22.945
 continental navy frigate is built
 
 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:24.500
 in Connecticut,
 
 00:27:24.580 --> 00:27:26.221
 but that's not until the
 
 00:27:26.261 --> 00:27:27.383
 seventeen ninety-eighth
 
 00:27:27.482 --> 00:27:29.265
 period for a quasi-war with France.
 
 00:27:29.684 --> 00:27:32.386
 Okay, interesting.
 
 00:27:32.406 --> 00:27:33.827
 We're talking with Damien Crouville,
 
 00:27:33.867 --> 00:27:35.630
 historian from Connecticut,
 
 00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:37.791
 author of Portraits of Patriots,
 
 00:27:37.811 --> 00:27:39.113
 The Revolutionary Lives of
 
 00:27:39.173 --> 00:27:41.154
 Pied Patriots from Connecticut.
 
 00:27:41.815 --> 00:27:44.537
 And Samuel Huntington was
 
 00:27:44.737 --> 00:27:46.518
 also from Norwich.
 
 00:27:46.557 --> 00:27:47.638
 He was the president of the
 
 00:27:47.679 --> 00:27:51.261
 Continental Congress and he
 
 00:27:51.301 --> 00:27:52.122
 lived across the street
 
 00:27:52.142 --> 00:27:54.044
 from where you are now, I think.
 
 00:27:55.104 --> 00:27:55.345
 Yeah,
 
 00:27:55.384 --> 00:27:56.846
 so sitting here at Jedediah
 
 00:27:56.885 --> 00:27:58.547
 Huntington's house built in
 
 00:27:58.567 --> 00:27:59.587
 the seventeen sixties,
 
 00:27:59.728 --> 00:28:01.108
 another house will be built
 
 00:28:01.128 --> 00:28:02.589
 a couple of years later
 
 00:28:02.690 --> 00:28:04.590
 diagonally across the street from ours.
 
 00:28:04.671 --> 00:28:06.992
 It's currently owned by UCFS,
 
 00:28:07.932 --> 00:28:09.674
 which is basically a
 
 00:28:09.734 --> 00:28:11.536
 medical organization here in Norwich.
 
 00:28:12.272 --> 00:28:14.374
 And it's a prominent home.
 
 00:28:16.174 --> 00:28:17.815
 Samuel Huntington comes from Scotland,
 
 00:28:17.835 --> 00:28:18.315
 Connecticut,
 
 00:28:18.335 --> 00:28:19.756
 about twenty minutes north of here,
 
 00:28:19.796 --> 00:28:20.516
 driving time.
 
 00:28:21.455 --> 00:28:22.576
 He becomes a successful
 
 00:28:22.636 --> 00:28:23.717
 lawyer here in Norwich.
 
 00:28:23.777 --> 00:28:25.557
 Norwich is flourishing as a
 
 00:28:25.617 --> 00:28:26.939
 merchant community because
 
 00:28:26.979 --> 00:28:28.719
 of its location on an
 
 00:28:28.858 --> 00:28:31.960
 inland port location at the
 
 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.621
 headwaters of the Thames River,
 
 00:28:33.901 --> 00:28:34.901
 kind of a miniature version
 
 00:28:34.942 --> 00:28:36.122
 of the city of Pittsburgh,
 
 00:28:36.521 --> 00:28:38.623
 where the Shetucket and other river,
 
 00:28:39.942 --> 00:28:41.584
 Yantick formed the third river.
 
 00:28:42.065 --> 00:28:43.865
 So Samuel lives across the
 
 00:28:43.885 --> 00:28:45.086
 street and he becomes best
 
 00:28:45.126 --> 00:28:46.007
 friends with his,
 
 00:28:46.366 --> 00:28:48.407
 what we believe is third cousin,
 
 00:28:48.907 --> 00:28:51.549
 Jedediah Huntington.
 
 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:52.829
 And what does Jedediah do
 
 00:28:52.849 --> 00:28:54.891
 then during the war and after the war?
 
 00:28:54.932 --> 00:28:57.192
 What's his life like?
 
 00:28:57.212 --> 00:28:58.472
 I mean, he loses his wife.
 
 00:28:58.512 --> 00:28:59.493
 Does he ever remarry?
 
 00:29:01.934 --> 00:29:03.895
 He does remarry.
 
 00:29:03.955 --> 00:29:06.436
 He finds a woman named Ann Moore,
 
 00:29:06.497 --> 00:29:08.538
 who in the family is named Nancy.
 
 00:29:09.199 --> 00:29:10.338
 She's lovely.
 
 00:29:10.479 --> 00:29:11.740
 Her family is prominent.
 
 00:29:12.267 --> 00:29:14.269
 with loyalist leanings and
 
 00:29:14.368 --> 00:29:16.230
 connections out of New York
 
 00:29:16.289 --> 00:29:18.511
 City and also of the Hudson River Valley.
 
 00:29:19.153 --> 00:29:20.574
 One of her uncles owns the
 
 00:29:20.614 --> 00:29:22.335
 land that becomes known as
 
 00:29:22.375 --> 00:29:25.458
 West Point and the US Military Academy.
 
 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.000
 He falls in love with her.
 
 00:29:28.060 --> 00:29:29.221
 They get married during the
 
 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:30.201
 American Revolution,
 
 00:29:30.521 --> 00:29:32.843
 and they're able to have,
 
 00:29:32.962 --> 00:29:34.163
 I think it's six children.
 
 00:29:34.943 --> 00:29:36.144
 And by the way,
 
 00:29:36.203 --> 00:29:38.865
 Jedediah and Faith had one son, Jabez,
 
 00:29:39.066 --> 00:29:40.685
 and he became an army major
 
 00:29:40.726 --> 00:29:42.247
 in the Quasi-War of France.
 
 00:29:42.487 --> 00:29:44.188
 And it was painted by Ralph Earl.
 
 00:29:44.667 --> 00:29:48.710
 But back to Nancy Moore, she
 
 00:29:49.861 --> 00:29:52.040
 is a prominent woman and her
 
 00:29:52.241 --> 00:29:54.122
 father is buried at trinity
 
 00:29:54.521 --> 00:29:56.021
 her parent her father maybe
 
 00:29:56.041 --> 00:29:56.902
 her mom and definitely her
 
 00:29:56.922 --> 00:29:57.942
 grandparents are buried at
 
 00:29:58.442 --> 00:30:00.063
 trinity church in new york
 
 00:30:00.163 --> 00:30:01.323
 city where alexander
 
 00:30:01.343 --> 00:30:02.242
 hamilton and others are
 
 00:30:02.282 --> 00:30:05.723
 buried jedediah will
 
 00:30:05.763 --> 00:30:06.743
 continue as a brigadier
 
 00:30:06.804 --> 00:30:07.845
 general all the way to the
 
 00:30:07.924 --> 00:30:09.585
 end of the war uh so the
 
 00:30:09.625 --> 00:30:12.224
 fall of he's running the
 
 00:30:12.345 --> 00:30:14.726
 first third fifth and seventh regiments
 
 00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:18.601
 His most important battle is Monmouth.
 
 00:30:18.641 --> 00:30:20.060
 That's the biggest battle
 
 00:30:20.121 --> 00:30:21.721
 for him in terms of the
 
 00:30:21.820 --> 00:30:24.061
 scale of it and the success of it.
 
 00:30:25.082 --> 00:30:28.083
 And he famously is part of
 
 00:30:28.103 --> 00:30:30.722
 this weigh-in at West Point
 
 00:30:30.782 --> 00:30:31.383
 later in the war.
 
 00:30:31.663 --> 00:30:33.203
 I want to say it's seventeen eighty two.
 
 00:30:33.784 --> 00:30:35.423
 Washington gets weighed, say,
 
 00:30:35.503 --> 00:30:36.325
 two hundred and ten,
 
 00:30:36.384 --> 00:30:37.325
 two hundred twenty pounds.
 
 00:30:37.365 --> 00:30:39.065
 Knox famously two hundred and eighty.
 
 00:30:39.644 --> 00:30:42.405
 Jedediah Huntington, one thirty five.
 
 00:30:42.506 --> 00:30:42.925
 Interesting.
 
 00:30:43.657 --> 00:30:44.898
 The latest indication is
 
 00:30:44.919 --> 00:30:46.339
 that because he had
 
 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.540
 suffered from malaria
 
 00:30:47.580 --> 00:30:48.701
 during the Battle of New York,
 
 00:30:49.221 --> 00:30:50.061
 in which he had to sit out
 
 00:30:50.082 --> 00:30:51.103
 the battle because he was
 
 00:30:51.522 --> 00:30:53.545
 hospitalized and he was sick in bed,
 
 00:30:54.125 --> 00:30:55.945
 that might have caused the weight loss.
 
 00:30:56.227 --> 00:30:57.847
 We don't know for sure.
 
 00:30:57.988 --> 00:30:59.409
 I don't think he was particularly short.
 
 00:30:59.449 --> 00:31:00.670
 I don't think he was five three,
 
 00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:02.691
 but let's say he was five
 
 00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:05.093
 seven or so and he had the weight loss.
 
 00:31:05.133 --> 00:31:06.294
 That might explain that low
 
 00:31:06.334 --> 00:31:08.714
 weight that was half of Henry Knox's.
 
 00:31:08.755 --> 00:31:08.875
 Now,
 
 00:31:08.914 --> 00:31:10.576
 the interesting thing about Knox and
 
 00:31:10.635 --> 00:31:12.758
 Jedediah is they are housemates.
 
 00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:16.553
 living in Nancy Moore's uncle's house,
 
 00:31:17.452 --> 00:31:19.294
 located at modern day West Point,
 
 00:31:19.334 --> 00:31:21.694
 where the tennis courts are
 
 00:31:21.714 --> 00:31:22.734
 at the north end of the
 
 00:31:22.755 --> 00:31:23.955
 Cadet campus there.
 
 00:31:24.855 --> 00:31:27.178
 And that house long gone,
 
 00:31:27.417 --> 00:31:28.458
 probably burned down,
 
 00:31:28.698 --> 00:31:30.199
 eighteen thirties or forties.
 
 00:31:30.239 --> 00:31:30.959
 It was a large home.
 
 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.780
 So Henry and Lucy Knox are there.
 
 00:31:34.101 --> 00:31:36.122
 And then Jedediah and Nancy
 
 00:31:36.182 --> 00:31:37.382
 Moore and the four of them
 
 00:31:37.402 --> 00:31:38.843
 get to know each other really well.
 
 00:31:39.423 --> 00:31:41.044
 And they propose in letters
 
 00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:42.651
 to Washington,
 
 00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:44.211
 and it's one of the things I found,
 
 00:31:45.311 --> 00:31:45.752
 two things.
 
 00:31:45.932 --> 00:31:46.853
 One, that there'd be a U.S.
 
 00:31:46.893 --> 00:31:48.453
 Military Academy at West Point.
 
 00:31:49.414 --> 00:31:50.996
 They both felt that was a
 
 00:31:51.175 --> 00:31:52.297
 very important idea.
 
 00:31:52.376 --> 00:31:53.037
 And also,
 
 00:31:53.196 --> 00:31:54.557
 they both should get credit for
 
 00:31:54.657 --> 00:31:55.479
 creating what is known as
 
 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:56.839
 the Society of Cincinnati.
 
 00:31:57.420 --> 00:31:58.740
 Too much focus is on simply
 
 00:31:58.780 --> 00:32:00.781
 Henry Knox and Baron von Steuben.
 
 00:32:01.162 --> 00:32:01.702
 But actually,
 
 00:32:01.803 --> 00:32:03.443
 in the correspondence between
 
 00:32:03.503 --> 00:32:04.924
 themselves and Washington,
 
 00:32:06.144 --> 00:32:06.986
 Jedediah Huntington
 
 00:32:07.006 --> 00:32:08.446
 deserves co-credit as well,
 
 00:32:08.487 --> 00:32:09.407
 because he writes a letter
 
 00:32:09.448 --> 00:32:10.048
 in which he says,
 
 00:32:11.057 --> 00:32:12.878
 Your Excellency, you know, dear George,
 
 00:32:13.179 --> 00:32:14.640
 we really should have a
 
 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:16.602
 fraternity like this, you know,
 
 00:32:16.642 --> 00:32:17.561
 so he and Henry should
 
 00:32:17.602 --> 00:32:19.163
 deserve credit for proposing that.
 
 00:32:19.222 --> 00:32:20.044
 And the idea, of course,
 
 00:32:20.064 --> 00:32:21.625
 was accepted by Washington
 
 00:32:21.664 --> 00:32:23.665
 and they add the French in
 
 00:32:23.726 --> 00:32:24.767
 seventeen eighty three.
 
 00:32:28.429 --> 00:32:29.569
 And then Ebenezer,
 
 00:32:30.191 --> 00:32:32.352
 what's Ebenezer's role in the revolution?
 
 00:32:34.587 --> 00:32:35.988
 So his younger half-brother
 
 00:32:36.167 --> 00:32:37.249
 is a student at Yale,
 
 00:32:37.689 --> 00:32:39.388
 gets word of Battle Road,
 
 00:32:39.469 --> 00:32:42.650
 Lexington and Concord, and skips town.
 
 00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:43.931
 Nowadays,
 
 00:32:43.951 --> 00:32:45.090
 you'd hop in your car without
 
 00:32:45.211 --> 00:32:46.931
 asking your professor or
 
 00:32:46.990 --> 00:32:48.451
 your advisor if you could
 
 00:32:48.531 --> 00:32:51.212
 have time off and go AWOL.
 
 00:32:51.432 --> 00:32:52.432
 So he goes AWOL.
 
 00:32:52.472 --> 00:32:54.413
 He leaves campus before graduation.
 
 00:32:55.054 --> 00:32:56.374
 He's about twenty-one years old,
 
 00:32:56.574 --> 00:32:58.375
 and he heads off on his
 
 00:32:58.414 --> 00:32:59.994
 horse and gallops up to Boston,
 
 00:33:00.055 --> 00:33:01.414
 and he's in the siege of Boston.
 
 00:33:01.816 --> 00:33:03.115
 He's in the New York campaign.
 
 00:33:03.913 --> 00:33:07.634
 He eventually is in charge effectively,
 
 00:33:07.815 --> 00:33:09.435
 actively running the
 
 00:33:09.476 --> 00:33:11.876
 regiment that Samuel Webb had.
 
 00:33:12.257 --> 00:33:13.436
 Webb's Ninth Regiment was
 
 00:33:13.477 --> 00:33:15.577
 created in seventeen seventy seven,
 
 00:33:16.018 --> 00:33:17.459
 but Webb is captured on a
 
 00:33:17.558 --> 00:33:18.479
 raid on Long Island.
 
 00:33:19.298 --> 00:33:21.240
 And because the second in command,
 
 00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:26.102
 Colonel Livingston out of out of Union,
 
 00:33:26.582 --> 00:33:29.383
 New Jersey area, apparently has PTSD.
 
 00:33:31.055 --> 00:33:32.036
 Flakes out or whatever the
 
 00:33:32.076 --> 00:33:32.935
 right term might be.
 
 00:33:32.955 --> 00:33:33.576
 He has PTSD.
 
 00:33:33.596 --> 00:33:33.957
 He says,
 
 00:33:34.076 --> 00:33:35.538
 I can't serve in battles any longer.
 
 00:33:35.919 --> 00:33:36.980
 So Ebenezer Huntington at
 
 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.361
 that point in major becomes
 
 00:33:38.401 --> 00:33:39.421
 the effective commander of
 
 00:33:39.461 --> 00:33:40.342
 Webb's Ninth Regiment
 
 00:33:40.803 --> 00:33:42.804
 during the battle of the
 
 00:33:42.923 --> 00:33:43.944
 Rhode Island campaign,
 
 00:33:44.365 --> 00:33:45.625
 which is basically Portsmouth,
 
 00:33:45.665 --> 00:33:48.367
 Rhode Island, just north of Newport.
 
 00:33:48.607 --> 00:33:49.808
 And they are effective.
 
 00:33:50.529 --> 00:33:51.730
 The letters indicate from
 
 00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:53.632
 eyewitnesses as well as from Ebenezer.
 
 00:33:54.032 --> 00:33:54.673
 They assist.
 
 00:33:55.173 --> 00:33:56.334
 And who else is at the battle?
 
 00:33:56.374 --> 00:33:57.915
 But John Trumbull on a horse
 
 00:33:58.096 --> 00:34:00.116
 as aid to General Sullivan
 
 00:34:00.196 --> 00:34:00.938
 of New Hampshire.
 
 00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:03.663
 And Ebenezer will serve at
 
 00:34:03.702 --> 00:34:06.184
 the Battle of Springfield, New Jersey.
 
 00:34:07.086 --> 00:34:08.806
 I think that's summer of,
 
 00:34:08.847 --> 00:34:11.829
 he's at Jockey Hollow.
 
 00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:12.891
 That's when he writes these
 
 00:34:12.931 --> 00:34:14.092
 very colorful letters where
 
 00:34:14.112 --> 00:34:15.293
 he sounds like Benedict Arnold.
 
 00:34:15.313 --> 00:34:15.532
 He says,
 
 00:34:15.634 --> 00:34:17.574
 I despise my fellow countrymen for
 
 00:34:17.594 --> 00:34:20.458
 their ignorance in the plight,
 
 00:34:20.518 --> 00:34:21.998
 the suffering of our soldiers.
 
 00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.201
 And so that makes for a
 
 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:26.643
 colorful reading later in my book.
 
 00:34:26.724 --> 00:34:27.423
 Yeah, it does.
 
 00:34:28.621 --> 00:34:29.963
 He also serves, by the way,
 
 00:34:30.003 --> 00:34:32.686
 through the end, you know, fall of .
 
 00:34:31.945 --> 00:34:32.445
 Interesting.
 
 00:34:34.148 --> 00:34:35.971
 So we're talking with Damien Krugo,
 
 00:34:36.172 --> 00:34:37.914
 author of Portraits of Patriots,
 
 00:34:37.954 --> 00:34:39.295
 The Revolutionary Lives of
 
 00:34:39.335 --> 00:34:41.259
 Five Patriots from Connecticut.
 
 00:34:42.164 --> 00:34:44.626
 And I'm wondering, Damien,
 
 00:34:44.766 --> 00:34:45.827
 if we can talk then a
 
 00:34:45.867 --> 00:34:46.809
 little bit about where you
 
 00:34:46.849 --> 00:34:47.710
 find the sources.
 
 00:34:47.809 --> 00:34:48.230
 I mean,
 
 00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:49.190
 you have great letters you're
 
 00:34:49.210 --> 00:34:50.492
 quoting from, great stories.
 
 00:34:50.512 --> 00:34:52.414
 I wonder where you go to do your research.
 
 00:34:52.454 --> 00:34:55.456
 You've mentioned some things,
 
 00:34:56.396 --> 00:34:57.498
 but are there caches of
 
 00:34:57.538 --> 00:34:58.539
 letters in Connecticut or
 
 00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.960
 have you traveled further afield?
 
 00:35:02.759 --> 00:35:03.099
 Yes.
 
 00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:05.619
 So if I take it in chronological order,
 
 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.260
 the things I was most proud
 
 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.922
 of were discovering the
 
 00:35:08.981 --> 00:35:10.282
 seventeen seventy five
 
 00:35:10.362 --> 00:35:11.382
 letters that had not been
 
 00:35:11.422 --> 00:35:13.483
 transcribed of Faith
 
 00:35:13.523 --> 00:35:14.864
 Trumbull Huntington writing
 
 00:35:15.164 --> 00:35:16.025
 in the summer of seventy
 
 00:35:16.085 --> 00:35:17.326
 five to Jedidiah.
 
 00:35:17.766 --> 00:35:18.885
 There were six letters that
 
 00:35:18.965 --> 00:35:21.007
 no one had taken the time to transcribe,
 
 00:35:21.067 --> 00:35:21.586
 and they are at the
 
 00:35:21.628 --> 00:35:23.768
 Connecticut State Library in Hartford.
 
 00:35:24.429 --> 00:35:26.309
 I looked at those in, I think,
 
 00:35:26.349 --> 00:35:27.050
 twenty twenty two.
 
 00:35:28.172 --> 00:35:29.512
 I had a colleague, Maggie Neal,
 
 00:35:29.532 --> 00:35:30.652
 who I'm co-presenting with
 
 00:35:30.693 --> 00:35:31.913
 next week here in Connecticut.
 
 00:35:32.052 --> 00:35:34.713
 She had a stash that she had
 
 00:35:34.753 --> 00:35:36.293
 transcribed from the John
 
 00:35:36.333 --> 00:35:37.713
 Trumbull collection at Yale,
 
 00:35:37.853 --> 00:35:38.733
 so we made a trade,
 
 00:35:39.614 --> 00:35:40.815
 and she had done a lot of
 
 00:35:41.074 --> 00:35:44.096
 scholarly research on faiths, depression,
 
 00:35:44.115 --> 00:35:44.795
 and suicide,
 
 00:35:45.016 --> 00:35:45.956
 and wrote an article about
 
 00:35:45.996 --> 00:35:47.436
 that for Connecticut History Review.
 
 00:35:48.115 --> 00:35:50.436
 Then I found a stash of
 
 00:35:50.476 --> 00:35:51.956
 Jedediah Huntington letters
 
 00:35:52.137 --> 00:35:53.617
 in Morristown in the small
 
 00:35:53.657 --> 00:35:54.577
 archives at the
 
 00:35:55.362 --> 00:35:56.682
 National Park Visitor Center
 
 00:35:56.722 --> 00:35:58.043
 there in Morristown for the
 
 00:35:58.083 --> 00:35:59.063
 Jockey Hollowing Gammon.
 
 00:35:59.503 --> 00:36:00.443
 So I looked at those and
 
 00:36:00.463 --> 00:36:01.623
 transcribed a few of those.
 
 00:36:01.804 --> 00:36:03.105
 I found a few letters at
 
 00:36:03.184 --> 00:36:04.545
 Valley Forge that had never
 
 00:36:04.565 --> 00:36:06.545
 been used before of Jedediah's.
 
 00:36:07.947 --> 00:36:11.788
 Most of his letters are at the Connecticut,
 
 00:36:12.009 --> 00:36:12.909
 what was then called,
 
 00:36:13.048 --> 00:36:14.329
 as I was writing the book,
 
 00:36:14.349 --> 00:36:14.889
 it was called the
 
 00:36:14.929 --> 00:36:16.309
 Connecticut Historical Society.
 
 00:36:16.730 --> 00:36:19.150
 It has since changed its name as of,
 
 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:19.632
 I think,
 
 00:36:19.652 --> 00:36:20.931
 to the Connecticut Museum of
 
 00:36:20.992 --> 00:36:21.851
 Culture and History.
 
 00:36:22.632 --> 00:36:23.273
 They're in Hartford.
 
 00:36:23.994 --> 00:36:25.954
 And that's where I spent most of my time.
 
 00:36:26.414 --> 00:36:28.775
 And then in addition to that, you know,
 
 00:36:29.036 --> 00:36:31.036
 how was I going to do this during COVID?
 
 00:36:31.056 --> 00:36:31.958
 How could I do it without
 
 00:36:32.018 --> 00:36:33.117
 having direct access if
 
 00:36:33.157 --> 00:36:34.318
 these places were closed?
 
 00:36:35.018 --> 00:36:35.920
 Fortunately,
 
 00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.561
 most of the stuff that had had
 
 00:36:39.601 --> 00:36:40.681
 been transcribed was
 
 00:36:40.722 --> 00:36:41.862
 available digitally through
 
 00:36:41.902 --> 00:36:43.523
 the website archive.org.
 
 00:36:43.943 --> 00:36:44.443
 And then of course,
 
 00:36:44.463 --> 00:36:46.284
 you have the George Washington papers,
 
 00:36:46.744 --> 00:36:48.585
 and the George Washington papers include
 
 00:36:49.431 --> 00:36:51.293
 any time that Jedediah and
 
 00:36:51.313 --> 00:36:52.554
 George were writing to each
 
 00:36:52.614 --> 00:36:54.494
 other or others such as Sam
 
 00:36:54.554 --> 00:36:55.615
 Webb or Seth Harding.
 
 00:36:55.635 --> 00:36:58.717
 Good.
 
 00:36:58.737 --> 00:37:00.717
 We've been talking with Damien Krugo,
 
 00:37:00.918 --> 00:37:02.880
 author of Portraits of Patriots,
 
 00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:04.199
 The Revolutionary Lives of
 
 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.221
 Five Patriots from Connecticut.
 
 00:37:06.240 --> 00:37:10.903
 The book just came out, so it's available,
 
 00:37:11.164 --> 00:37:13.025
 and I don't want to give it all away,
 
 00:37:13.065 --> 00:37:14.005
 but is there anything else
 
 00:37:14.025 --> 00:37:15.646
 we should talk about before we let you go,
 
 00:37:15.706 --> 00:37:16.007
 Damien?
 
 00:37:18.972 --> 00:37:20.954
 I think the most important things are,
 
 00:37:21.474 --> 00:37:21.914
 like I said,
 
 00:37:21.934 --> 00:37:23.056
 the welfare of the common
 
 00:37:23.115 --> 00:37:25.438
 soldier that these officers
 
 00:37:25.478 --> 00:37:26.617
 were looking after them.
 
 00:37:27.398 --> 00:37:29.300
 The fact that Connecticut's
 
 00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:30.340
 contributions to the
 
 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:31.481
 American Revolution often
 
 00:37:31.521 --> 00:37:32.722
 get overshadowed.
 
 00:37:32.762 --> 00:37:33.983
 We didn't have any famous
 
 00:37:34.023 --> 00:37:35.864
 battles like Saratoga or
 
 00:37:36.364 --> 00:37:37.826
 Bunker Hill in Connecticut,
 
 00:37:37.925 --> 00:37:39.967
 and yet we're at these battles,
 
 00:37:40.307 --> 00:37:41.409
 including Bunker Hill,
 
 00:37:41.929 --> 00:37:42.949
 and we should be proud of
 
 00:37:43.010 --> 00:37:44.570
 our contributions.
 
 00:37:45.170 --> 00:37:46.271
 And I think it's important
 
 00:37:46.311 --> 00:37:47.713
 that people realize that
 
 00:37:48.237 --> 00:37:50.777
 the officers were under a lot of stress.
 
 00:37:51.318 --> 00:37:52.579
 Not only did Jedediah lose
 
 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:53.679
 his wife and have to deal
 
 00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:57.302
 with that grief and rebuilding of himself,
 
 00:37:57.362 --> 00:37:59.023
 but the responsibilities
 
 00:37:59.043 --> 00:38:00.463
 they had as officers when
 
 00:38:00.503 --> 00:38:02.445
 they ran these regiments and brigades.
 
 00:38:02.505 --> 00:38:04.326
 And I tried to shine a light
 
 00:38:04.425 --> 00:38:05.827
 on this sort of second tier
 
 00:38:05.907 --> 00:38:07.186
 that instead of the most
 
 00:38:07.226 --> 00:38:08.148
 famous people all the time,
 
 00:38:08.168 --> 00:38:09.728
 like Washington or Lafayette,
 
 00:38:10.289 --> 00:38:11.530
 that Jedediah Huntington,
 
 00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:12.429
 Ebenezer Huntington,
 
 00:38:12.469 --> 00:38:14.431
 Samuel Webb deserved a book
 
 00:38:14.471 --> 00:38:15.672
 like this that would show
 
 00:38:15.692 --> 00:38:17.572
 that these officers were important
 
 00:38:18.114 --> 00:38:21.217
 uh contributors and that the
 
 00:38:21.257 --> 00:38:22.298
 writings of people like
 
 00:38:22.338 --> 00:38:24.041
 joseph plum martin or the
 
 00:38:24.101 --> 00:38:25.704
 reverend uh surgeon rather
 
 00:38:25.963 --> 00:38:27.045
 albigens waldo of
 
 00:38:27.085 --> 00:38:28.927
 connecticut helped sort of
 
 00:38:28.987 --> 00:38:30.170
 round out the whole
 
 00:38:30.210 --> 00:38:31.811
 experience in my book I
 
 00:38:32.112 --> 00:38:35.175
 also tied in their writings
 
 00:38:35.275 --> 00:38:36.458
 and memoirs and letters
 
 00:38:36.914 --> 00:38:39.855
 so that people come away with a, I feel,
 
 00:38:40.335 --> 00:38:42.094
 as a comprehensive
 
 00:38:42.135 --> 00:38:43.436
 understanding of how
 
 00:38:43.516 --> 00:38:44.635
 officers contributed.
 
 00:38:44.695 --> 00:38:45.956
 Very good.
 
 00:38:46.235 --> 00:38:47.376
 And you certainly do that.
 
 00:38:47.436 --> 00:38:48.637
 So I want to thank you for
 
 00:38:48.777 --> 00:38:49.896
 writing the book and for
 
 00:38:49.976 --> 00:38:50.896
 joining us again.
 
 00:38:51.237 --> 00:38:52.498
 So thank you so much, Damian.
 
 00:38:54.717 --> 00:38:55.918
 It's great to be back, Bob.
 
 00:38:55.958 --> 00:38:57.619
 Thanks again for having me back.
 
 00:38:57.699 --> 00:38:59.920
 And it's wonderful to share
 
 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.840
 this and a positive
 
 00:39:02.726 --> 00:39:04.907
 message as we go deeper now
 
 00:39:04.967 --> 00:39:05.786
 into the two hundred and
 
 00:39:05.827 --> 00:39:07.228
 fiftieth anniversary cycle.
 
 00:39:07.927 --> 00:39:08.588
 Right, right.
 
 00:39:09.168 --> 00:39:10.728
 And thank you to Jonathan Lane,
 
 00:39:10.768 --> 00:39:11.489
 our producer,
 
 00:39:11.608 --> 00:39:13.369
 and our listeners around the country,
 
 00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:14.030
 around the world.
 
 00:39:14.090 --> 00:39:15.130
 Every week we thank some
 
 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:16.590
 folks who are steady listeners.
 
 00:39:16.630 --> 00:39:17.692
 And if you're in one of
 
 00:39:17.731 --> 00:39:18.711
 these places and want to
 
 00:39:18.751 --> 00:39:20.072
 send Jonathan an email,
 
 00:39:20.132 --> 00:39:22.793
 jlane at revolution two five zero dot org,
 
 00:39:23.114 --> 00:39:23.994
 they'll send you some of
 
 00:39:24.034 --> 00:39:25.635
 our Rev two fifty swag.
 
 00:39:26.275 --> 00:39:27.335
 And this week,
 
 00:39:27.355 --> 00:39:27.994
 I want to thank our
 
 00:39:28.034 --> 00:39:29.596
 listeners actually in Boston and
 
 00:39:29.835 --> 00:39:31.996
 particularly in Jamaica Plain, Alston,
 
 00:39:32.097 --> 00:39:34.418
 and the South End, in Newport News,
 
 00:39:34.438 --> 00:39:37.079
 Virginia, Portland, Oregon, Binghamton,
 
 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:37.679
 New York,
 
 00:39:37.938 --> 00:39:40.701
 Nuremberg and Nantes in Germany
 
 00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:43.961
 and France, Charlestown, and Huntington,
 
 00:39:44.021 --> 00:39:44.862
 West Virginia.
 
 00:39:46.902 --> 00:39:49.244
 Huntington's moved out to the Ohio River,
 
 00:39:49.764 --> 00:39:51.385
 and Federal Way, Washington,
 
 00:39:51.445 --> 00:39:53.226
 and all places between and beyond.
 
 00:39:53.266 --> 00:39:54.266
 Thanks for joining us,
 
 00:39:54.286 --> 00:39:55.987
 and now we'll be piped out on the