
Revolution 250 Podcast
Revolution 250 Podcast
Promise & Protest in the American Revolution
For 50 years the Scottish Rite Masonic Museum and Library in Lexington has been telling the story of America and the Masonic traditions that are interwoven with that narrative. The museum has a collection of more than 17,000 objects and manages another 11,000 objects belonging to the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts. Objects from that collection and pieces from their world-class library are being used to launch a new exhibit on April 13, 2025 entitled Protest & Promise: The American Revolution in Lexington. Join Professor Allison in conversation with Assistant Curator Stacey Fraser on this iconic museum, its connection to the Bicentennial and the special exhibits and projects they have planned for the 250th.
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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome to the Revolution
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Two Fifty podcast.
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I'm Bob Allison.
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I chair the Rev Two Fifty Advisory Group.
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We are a consortium of about
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seventy five groups in
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Massachusetts planning
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commemorations of the
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beginnings of American independence.
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And our guest today is Stacey Fraser.
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Stacey Fraser is the
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assistant curator at the
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Scottish Rite Masonic
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Museum and Library in the
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town of Lexington, where you're from.
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So you've been steeped in
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Lexington since the very beginning.
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It's true.
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Thank you for having me.
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And the Scottish Rite Museum
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is about to observe its
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fiftieth anniversary.
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It opened on April twentieth
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of nineteen seventy-five.
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Was there a correlation
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between the bicentennial
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and the opening of the museum?
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There was, yeah.
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The museum has been,
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was founded and funded by
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the Scottish Rite Masons in
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the Northern Masonic jurisdiction,
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which is about fifteen states,
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New England,
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and then about out to Michigan.
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And they had had an office
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in Boston for a long time
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in the Statler building and
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other previous iterations
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since about eighteen thirteen.
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And then in nineteen sixty eight,
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they decided to move out of
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the city and move into the
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country like many people did.
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And so they bought some land in Lexington.
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And then with the approaching bicentennial,
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their their CEO,
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basically the sovereign
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Grand Commander George Newberry,
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thought it would be a
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wonderful opportunity to
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create a museum of national
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history right around the
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time of the bicentennial,
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given the location in Lexington.
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So they bought another
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parcel of land and that's what they did.
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Oh, that's great.
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And of course,
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the Masons were involved in
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the beginnings of the
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revolution and then throughout.
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They were, yeah, between, you know,
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Paul Revere and John
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Hancock and Joseph Warren
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and so many other names
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that are familiar because
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of their Sons of Liberty activities or,
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you know, governmental activities.
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They were all Masons.
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And so there's a lot of
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overlap in that group of people.
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And now I know you have an
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exhibit open now, actually,
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on looking back, moving forward,
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fifty years of collecting.
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I wonder if we could start
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maybe with that one and
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talk about what's in the collections.
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Yeah, you know,
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I always tell people when I
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do my tours that typically
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we do sort of a quick
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history of the museum in
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the lobby before we go see
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the exhibitions.
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But my boss, Hilary Anderson Stelling,
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has curated this great show,
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on the museum's collections
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over fifty years.
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So it's even easier now
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because we just started
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that show and go through the intro.
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So much of what I said before, basically,
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the idea was to create a
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Museum of American History
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to really kind of honor and
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celebrate some of the
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ideals that were expressed
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by founding masons and founding fathers.
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Washington, obviously,
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is a big part of sort of
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Masonic culture and American culture.
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And the museum was built, it was
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early, finished early and under budget.
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Wow.
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As we all know.
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That's remarkable.
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That's worth celebrating.
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Yeah.
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So it was actually done in
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the summer of seventy four,
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but they decided to wait
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until Patriot's Day weekend
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of seventy five to dedicate
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it and open it.
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So the museum collections at
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the time were fairly small.
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We had some material from
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the Scottish Rite offices
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in Boston that was up the
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hill that was now the
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Lexington Community Center,
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what used to be the Supreme
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Council's offices.
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But then it grew.
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People knew that we were
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building a museum.
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So people gave things and
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generously donated.
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We have a beautiful
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Rembrandt Peale Washington
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portrait that came in that first year.
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It was on display that first year.
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When we opened,
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we had a loan of quilts
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from Lexington Historical Society,
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now Lexington History Museums.
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So it really was a great
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start to the collection.
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And then since then, you know,
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through donation,
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through careful acquisitions,
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we've really built the collections up.
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So we showcase, you know,
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sort of decade by decade in
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that what some of the
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highlights are and
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collecting goals for each decade.
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Right.
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
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Again,
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we can jump around to the different
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exhibits,
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but I'll let you tell us what
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are your favorite things.
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You have an exhibit opening
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on April thirteenth, Protest and Promise,
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the American Revolution in Lexington.
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It seems like a great topic for Lexington.
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Yes.
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So this is our,
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I think our fourth show on
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the topic of Lexington and
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the Revolutionary War in
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our fifth year history.
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So it's perennial favorite,
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always gets a good response.
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It makes a lot of sense to do.
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Our collections, you know,
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are not as extensive in the
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area of sort of Lexington history as,
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you know,
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some other places like Lexington
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History Museums.
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But really a lot of richness
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in the Revolutionary War,
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collecting sort of founding material.
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So we've got some great powderhorns,
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a personal favorite of mine.
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We have a few from the
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French and Indian War, you know,
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at the beginning of the
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show to talk about how, you know,
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the impacts of the French
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and Indian War eventually
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contributed to what
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happened in Lexington on
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April nineteenth.
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Are these decorated or carved?
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They are.
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Yeah, they've got, you know,
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the sort of some of the
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typical ones you'll see
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sort of daisy wheels and
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English folk art motifs.
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But also,
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we have an interesting powder
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horn that has Masonic symbols.
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We have a couple of Masonic
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symbols as well.
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And then some that have things like,
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you know, a hunting scene,
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or there's one in the
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collection we didn't use
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for the show that has a mermaid,
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very rough, dropping mermaid.
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It's just,
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I found Powderhorn art so
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fascinating because it's so individual,
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whether it's a, you know,
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a carver is doing it for
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the owner of the horn or they're doing it,
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you end up with this really
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personal record of what's
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important to them.
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And you know who they were?
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Yeah,
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we know for at least two out of the
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three later in the show.
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And they were both stationed
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at Crown Point in New York
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during the French-London War, which,
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you know,
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eventually becomes part of the
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story for the World War II.
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So it's kind of an
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interesting bridge between
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the two events.
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That's fascinating.
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And then you also have an
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exhibit on the Battle of Bunker Hill.
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I mean, you're not just covering Lexington,
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you're doing the Revolution,
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which is a great thing.
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So remembering the Battle of
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Bunker Hill is another of your exhibits,
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I think, that
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opened in March and will be
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up through October.
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Yep.
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Yeah, just opened a couple of weeks ago.
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And that one was curated by our librarian,
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Director of Library and Archives,
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Jeff Croteau.
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And he's done a great job.
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You know,
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we've got some interesting material.
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You know,
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Lafayette was involved in the
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Cornerstone laying and he was a Mason.
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So there's a lot of material
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related to him.
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We have an invitation from a
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Masonic chapter in New
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Hampshire to the cornerstone laying.
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And we have other materials
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sort of associated with the monuments.
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King Solomon's Lodge
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actually put up the first monument,
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as you probably know, to Joseph Warren.
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So we have a monument model
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about maybe twenty inches tall,
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alone from them,
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that's on display in the
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library part of it.
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Yeah.
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So that was put up in the
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seventeen nineties.
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And then the monument we
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know starts in the eighteen twenties,
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luckily at least.
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initially there to honor
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Joseph Warren yeah and what
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I didn't realize and Jeff
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actually you know had a
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photo when he did a talk
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for the staff last week um
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is that we have sort of the
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wooden model on loan from
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the Lodge but there's a
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marble model of that first
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Monument you know on the
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ground floor of the current
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so yeah this connection to
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sort of the earliest
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Monument but the first one
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was wooden so my
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understanding is it didn't
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last long with the weather
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right right yeah
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And then you also have an
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exhibit about the
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revolutionary views about
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the American War for
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Independence in print.
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Because you have a pretty
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good print collection.
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We do.
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Yeah, especially, you know,
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that was another one where
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it was interesting to look
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at sort of collecting
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priorities over the years.
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And in the early nineties,
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we purchased a lot of
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American history prints.
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And so we have some really
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interesting ones.
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We have five interpretations
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of Washington crossing the Delaware.
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Wow.
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One, you know, the Emanuela Loitza,
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you know,
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and then four others with just
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different views, you know,
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all featuring Washington
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and the boats on the river,
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but different ways of looking at it.
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You mentioned setting and
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collecting priorities in
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different decades.
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I wonder if you could talk a
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little bit about what they
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have been and what you see
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going forward as collecting
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priorities for the museum.
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Sure, yeah.
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I think early on,
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especially starting with
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that early collection that
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started coming together in
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seventy-four or so,
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very much sort of American
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history and material that
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specifically sort of
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relates to our national story.
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And then I think, you know,
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we've sort of evolved over the years.
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One of the things we're
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trying to make an effort
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more now is to collect from
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Prince Hall Freemasonry or
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historically black Freemasonry.
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We started collecting
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material from Prince Hall
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Masons probably in the
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nineteen eighties or nineteen nineties.
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But it's something we've
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made a real push on lately
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to try to understand that
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aspect better and also try to understand,
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you know,
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there are other black fraternal
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groups that were formed
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around the same time and
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parallel to the other mainline groups.
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And so trying to collect that,
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really sort of broadening the story,
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collecting women's
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fraternal group material,
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children's groups.
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There's a lot of youth
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auxiliary groups that are
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associated with Freemasonry.
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So I think that's one thing
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we've really expanded is
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sort of the fraternal groups in general.
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groups and, you know,
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the Odd Fellows and really
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a wide swath of material
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from different kinds of
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ways that people choose to
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organize themselves.
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That's interesting.
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We're talking with Stacey
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Fraser from the Scottish
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Rite Masonic Museum and
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Library in Lexington,
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formerly known as the
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Museum of Our National Heritage,
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that both were part of the original title,
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and fifty years.
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Congratulations on that.
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Now you mentioned the
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different fraternal groups.
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I'm just wondering if
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different groups meet at
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the museum or if it's strictly a museum.
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Strictly a museum most of the time,
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although we do sometimes have, you know,
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we have a lot of function rentals.
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It's a beautiful facility,
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so people will rent it for
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any manner of things.
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And I know sometimes local
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Masonic lodges might rent
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it for an installation of a master,
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especially if their lodge
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doesn't have air conditioning.
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That's really common with
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the older lodge buildings,
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and we do have it here.
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So it's more comfortable
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with that kind of thing here.
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Sure.
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And do you have things, you know,
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Paul Revere, of course,
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was a Mason and he made a
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lot of the regalia.
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Early on,
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do you have any of Revere's regalia?
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We have some material, yeah.
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We have a lot of really
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wonderful extended loans
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with local lodges and with other groups.
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As I mentioned,
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sort of older lodge building,
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sometimes the climate control, security,
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things aren't ideal.
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So for things that are
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really important to the lodges,
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sometimes they will put
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them on extended loan with us.
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And one of those is a set of
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Mason's Jewels.
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which are kind of the badge
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of office that they wear,
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either in color or it's pinned.
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We have a pretty complete
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set made by Revere's shop.
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And it comes with the receipts.
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It actually has the paper
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receipt from the lodge,
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which is Washington Lodge.
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Formerly of Roxbury,
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moved to Lexington in the sixties,
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merged with Simon W.
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Robinson Lodge a couple of years ago.
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So that is a pretty amazing jewel.
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We just took it off display recently.
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I said jewel.
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But it's a whole case with, you know,
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twelve different silver
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jewels made by Revere Shop.
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Well,
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it must be interesting going through
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and putting together
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exhibits from the material
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you have and thinking what
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different directions you
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can go in with your exhibits.
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Yeah, it is a pretty broad remit.
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You know, we're American history,
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we're Freemasonry and we're fraternalism.
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And that includes, you know,
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women's groups and all manner of kind of,
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really the qualifier is, you know,
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do you have sort of a
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ritual to your group?
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That's kind of our cutoff for,
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is it a fraternal group or
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is it sort of a social group?
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There's a lot,
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a lot of intersections
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between those groups in American history.
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There's a lot really we can cover,
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which is wonderful.
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That is a great thing.
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You also are going to be having on display
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one of the Lexington Alarm Letter.
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And that's an interesting
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story about this document.
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Yeah, it's really wonderful.
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It's something actually,
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when I was working at
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Lexington History Museums, J.L.
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Bell was consulting on one
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of our shows and really
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helped me sort of get my
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mind around the alarm
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letters and what they were,
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what purpose they served.
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And we have a copy of one that was done by,
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it was copied by Daniel Tyler in Norwich,
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Connecticut.
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It's been on display in the
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past at the Leffingwell
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House Museum down there.
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And it is a wonderful piece.
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It's fragile, obviously.
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It was created April, the twentieth,
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seventeen seventy five.
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So we put it on display for
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a couple of weeks around
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Patriots Day every year.
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And it's just it's a really
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amazing document.
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The fact that it's kind of a
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complicated game of
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telephone where everyone's
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copying the message down
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and then writing who they
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are and when they received it.
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So you can sort of track the
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news as it goes down the
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eastern seaboard.
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It's pretty fascinating to
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see that and to have a copy
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of the original.
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Joseph Palmer,
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I think he was from the
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Watertown Committee of Correspondence,
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on April,
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the next day he writes this account.
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He actually does it day of.
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Okay.
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He does because that's the
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thing is he doesn't mention
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Concord because it hasn't happened yet.
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You know, he's writing it sort of, well,
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maybe it's still happening.
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He writes it around like late morning,
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they think.
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And so he just focuses on
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the skirmish at Lexington at first.
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And so the day's fight is
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still going on when he's
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writing this letter and
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sending it by riders off, you know,
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to other places, which is kind of.
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It's amazing to think about
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how the news would have spread.
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Yep.
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And then eventually, you know,
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the information gets into
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the newspapers and
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broadsides and starts being
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part of the printed material.
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But it is, it's fascinating how, you know,
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because much of it is sort
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of it's how information
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gets spread that helps
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shape the public opinion at
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the beginning of the war.
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And do you have any of the
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printed versions of it or
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where it appears in print?
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I don't think we do.
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We have, you know, we know some examples,
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but we don't have any of
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the newspaper versions, I think,
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although that would be
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would be pretty great to have.
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We typically put this letter
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on display with a broadside
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from John Hancock.
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It's titled, you know,
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In Provincial Congress,
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and it's April fifteen and
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is calling for a day of fasting to,
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you know,
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to protest basically the British
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overreach in the
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governmental overreach in Boston.
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So that's April, before things happened.
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Right.
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Four days before.
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So it's interesting timing.
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Definitely is.
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Definitely is.
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Yeah.
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So you've spent a lot of your career,
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all of your career in Lexington,
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in the Lexington historical
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museums and their previous iterations.
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So I'm wondering what
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surprises you now about
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coming to this institution
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and telling the story
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through this particular
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lens or what you bring to it.
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Yeah, well,
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I think one thing I found
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really great was, you know,
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being able to delve into
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the Revolutionary War collections here.
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You know,
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I always felt very lucky working
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at Lexington to have access
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to all this wonderful
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material culture from the
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first day of the war and
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after and all the
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commemorative material as well.
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So looking at the collection
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here and finding out more about, you know,
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we have a musket that was
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gifted by the Sons of the
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American Revolution.
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We have, you know,
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a lot of really wonderful
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material that ties into those early days.
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Maybe it's not all Lexington, you know,
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some of the Powderhorns are
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from New Hampshire or what have you,
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but it helps tell that story.
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And then I think what was
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interesting in doing this show is that,
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you know,
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we're not focused on
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fraternalism or fraternal collections,
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but as I looked more at the
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commemorations,
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which the exhibition talks about,
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I'm finding you know the
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parades were really the big
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thing for much of you know
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the the reenactment
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lexington doesn't start
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until so the you know
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outside of one one case in
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eighteen twenty five so the
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parades really are the
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thing and because you know
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there's so many american
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fraternal groups they're
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marching in the parades you
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know you've got you've got
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the masons nowadays you've
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got you know the military
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order of the loyal legion
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of the united states you've got the
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American Legion, you've got, you know,
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all these veterans groups
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that are marching in the parade,
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and we have some of that
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overlapping material.
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Aleppo Shrine has been, you know,
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it's a very large shrine
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group in Wilmington, Mass,
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and they've been involved
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in commemorations.
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Their band, you know, has played in
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And, you know,
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was involved in the nineteen
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seventy five bicentennial.
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They'll have their, you know,
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their their clown cars and
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their motorcycles in the
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parade this year.
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You know,
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so seeing how those fraternal groups,
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both nationally and Massachusetts,
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have tied in with the rest
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of the story has been really fascinating.
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Jonathan reminds us that
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there are Aleppo Minutemen.
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Yes, there you go.
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Perfect example.
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Now,
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do you see correlation with these
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different groups?
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I mean,
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one of the things that another
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historian and I were
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talking about last week is
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we often approach Lexington
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and Concord as though we
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said we're a CNN group and
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there's a disaster here and we're there.
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We know about what happened in this day.
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And then a week later, a year later,
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we've completely forgotten
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what happened in this particular place.
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So what kind of here you do
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see Lexington keeping this
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alive or actually focusing on this?
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And of course,
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with all of the material you have,
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you are tracing a much
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longer history than simply
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what happened on April of nineteen.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We you know,
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we end up sort of bringing it
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up pretty much to present day.
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And we actually have a
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slideshow at the end of the
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exhibition where we're
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hoping visitors will submit
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photos of this year's
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reenactments and
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commemorations that they
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can we can add to the show.
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We really wanted to kind of bring it up,
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but also show that whole
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span from Washington's
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visit tour of the Northeast
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in seventeen eighty nine.
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all the way through present day.
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Lexington commemorates it every year,
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but sort of goes big on
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those every-fifty-year marks, really.
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Did Lafayette visit on his national tour?
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He did.
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He visited in eighteen twenty-four,
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and he went to the Green,
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and there's a beautiful
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banner that's in the
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collection of Lexington
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History Museums that says, Welcome,
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Friend of America to the
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Birthplace of American Liberty.
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And it is thirty nine feet long.
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So it is amazing.
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It was it was a joy to care
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for it when I worked there.
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And we've had another group I work with,
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like see her in Lexington,
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created a replica banner
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that we can actually use and handle.
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And for our show,
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we have it in sort of a big vinyl,
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you know, graphic on the wall,
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a portion of the length.
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And, you know,
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really sort of made a big deal, you know,
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and there's still,
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there's still living
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veterans at that time.
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So they're honoring him.
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It all took place at the monument,
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the seventeen ninety nine monument was,
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you know,
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only twenty five years old at that point.
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And really it was it was an amazing event.
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It was great to have him there.
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And I think,
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It really ties in, you know,
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sort of having that celebrity guest,
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having Washington, having Lafayette,
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Grant, and Pershing, Dawes, Ford,
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and all these other people.
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It's really amazing.
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I'm just thinking then about
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the veterans who were there.
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Initially,
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there must have been an idea
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that this will never be forgotten.
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But as you say,
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it really does take this
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active community engaged in
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remembering this event and
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commemorating it every year.
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Yeah,
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there's a great quote that I
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personally love.
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Reverend Caleb Stetson,
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who was actually living at
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Buckman at the time,
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he married Julie Miriam Stetson,
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who was grown up at Buckman
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when it was a private home after, in the
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And he basically says,
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when the monument's dedicated,
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this idea of sort of,
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we are commemorating this monument,
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but it has this inherent value.
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And as we see sort of that
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continue to grow as the
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generations go down.
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So in some ways,
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it's kind of a promise that
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the community will keep that going,
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will sort of keep that fire
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going for the men who died
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that day and who were
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wounded and all the sacrifices over,
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hopefully, in his mind, in perpetuity.
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And I think I did a pretty
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good job of that over the years.
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Yeah, we're talking with Stacey Fraser,
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the Assistant Curator at
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the Scottish Rite Museum
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and Masonic Museum and
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Library in the town of Lexington.
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And we were talking before
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we got on about school
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groups coming in or teachers coming in.
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What kind of engagement do
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you have with schools in
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Lexington and the surrounding area?
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So we used to have a really
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robust museum education program.
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And that was unfortunately
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one of the things that kind
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of suffered a bit during
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the recession in two years.
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That was one department that
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was severely cut.
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So now we're focused a little more.
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We've done great things in
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the past and we hope to
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continue to engage in the future.
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We're hoping we're having our big event,
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our big fiftieth
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anniversary kickoff is April thirteenth.
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And we're really hoping that
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that will be a chance for
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us to reengage with the
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community a little bit to
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remind people what's there.
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So not a lot of sort of
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formalized programs,
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but to really use that opportunity.
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to tell people, you know,
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to encourage families to come visit.
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You know, the museum's free of admission.
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Intentionally,
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the Masons always really
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intended it as a gift to
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the American people.
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So there is no charge for entry.
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If we do, you know,
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we do guided group tours
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and sometimes we will do
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those with like high school
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students or sort of
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alternative schools that
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have more flexibility in their schedule.
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But, you know, it's really,
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we really want people to
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come and see things and families and,
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you know,
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hopefully there's a little
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something for everyone.
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Yeah.
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really beautiful facility
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and you do have a lot of
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stories that you tell very well.
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Yeah,
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we were just talking about that earlier.
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It's fifty years old and it's been really,
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really well maintained and
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beautifully done by some of
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the same staff.
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We've got people who've been
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here since the eighties
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take care of the building
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and they do a beautiful job.
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And with everything we knew
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coming up with the
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anniversary to celebrate,
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we've been working on other things.
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We just redid all the bricks
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outside on our patio.
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They've been the original
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bricks from nineteen seventy five.
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They were getting a little bit tired,
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so we redid everything and
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it looks beautiful.
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And we're very lucky to have
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the space we have and try
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to take good care of it.
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That's great.
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Now, I know you've been,
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you had your hands full
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planning these exhibits for
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the revolution,
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but I wonder what happens next.
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You must be looking ahead to
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what happens after the
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Bunker Hill exhibit and the
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Protest and Promise exhibits.
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Yeah.
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So some of these will be up
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for a couple years, the two gallery shows,
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Looking Back, Moving Forward,
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Fifty Years of Collecting,
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and Protest and Promise.
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Those will both be up for about two years.
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We tend to swap out our corridor show,
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which is the print show right now,
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about every year.
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So the next that will go up
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in that hallway will be
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Revolutionary War Era maps.
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Awesome.
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reflecting.
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We actually have some
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material from basically
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Lafayette's cartographer
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who's over here with him
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and sort of recording the
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theater of war in battles.
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And so we have some of his maps.
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And if they're in good
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enough condition to display,
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we can put those out.
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So we're still working on
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putting that all together.
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But that will be the next corridor show,
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the framed show.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Just the chance to be able, you know,
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I think one of the things I
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noticed as I was looking at
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all the commemorations is, you know,
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we tend to pin it to that one year that,
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you know,
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ends with a five or a zero
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because it's the exact two.
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But really, you know,
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there's so much that
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happens usually the year
00:23:55.491 --> 00:23:56.732
before and so much that
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happens the year after
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because of the anniversary
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of the Declaration of
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Independence signing.
00:24:00.976 --> 00:24:02.136
So, you know, kind of,
00:24:02.176 --> 00:24:03.298
we get this three-year
00:24:03.578 --> 00:24:04.800
chunk to work with every
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time we have one of these
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big anniversaries.
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So we're hoping, you know,
00:24:08.384 --> 00:24:09.125
part of what we're doing
00:24:09.145 --> 00:24:10.288
for the anniversary outside
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of exhibitions is we're also having, um,
00:24:12.813 --> 00:24:13.874
We're having gallery tours
00:24:13.894 --> 00:24:15.094
of the exhibitions, you know,
00:24:15.153 --> 00:24:16.234
throughout the following
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year from April of
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twenty-five to April twenty-six.
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We're also going to be doing
00:24:21.739 --> 00:24:22.378
some collaborative
00:24:22.398 --> 00:24:24.980
programming with the Paul Revere House.
00:24:25.260 --> 00:24:26.040
We're doing a lecture with
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Stephen Bullock in
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collaboration with them in the fall.
00:24:29.762 --> 00:24:30.443
We're also doing a lecture
00:24:30.463 --> 00:24:32.325
with Joel Bowie also in the
00:24:32.345 --> 00:24:33.326
fall in collaboration with
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Lexington History Museums.
00:24:35.707 --> 00:24:37.208
And we're really trying to sort of,
00:24:37.307 --> 00:24:39.509
you know, keep the momentum going through,
00:24:39.930 --> 00:24:41.631
you know, to the Declaration and beyond.
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This is great,
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because we know the
00:24:43.773 --> 00:24:44.996
bicentennial did spark a
00:24:45.016 --> 00:24:46.036
lot of interest in this,
00:24:46.056 --> 00:24:46.876
and we hope that the two
00:24:46.916 --> 00:24:48.419
fiftieth will do the same thing.
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That as a new generation
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will get excited about the story.
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Jonathan, I think,
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was a mere lad when he went
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to the opening of the
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museum in nineteen seventy five.
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So it's a lifetime of
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engagement with history.
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Yeah, and he's not the only one.
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You know,
00:25:04.435 --> 00:25:06.196
Joel Bowie was like age ten when
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he went to the Concord Bicentennial,
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and that clearly stuck for
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a lot of people.
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So this is our chance to do that.
00:25:14.439 --> 00:25:14.740
I wonder,
00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:16.319
the American Revolution
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Geographies Online is a project of the BP,
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:20.260
the West Public Library,
00:25:20.320 --> 00:25:22.122
the Levinfield Map Center in Mount Vernon,
00:25:22.622 --> 00:25:23.241
with maps.
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I wonder if you've been
00:25:25.002 --> 00:25:26.303
involved at all with that with the Levin.
00:25:27.239 --> 00:25:28.059
We haven't, no,
00:25:28.099 --> 00:25:30.320
but that would be a wonderful connection.
00:25:30.361 --> 00:25:31.721
That's a great, we could look into.
00:25:32.201 --> 00:25:33.282
Yeah, we can put you in touch with them,
00:25:33.383 --> 00:25:35.805
I think, because that's a great thing.
00:25:35.825 --> 00:25:36.905
And it's amazing because one
00:25:36.945 --> 00:25:38.046
thing Washington really
00:25:38.105 --> 00:25:39.086
wanted at the beginning of
00:25:39.106 --> 00:25:40.728
the war were French engineers.
00:25:40.788 --> 00:25:41.989
And instead of getting engineers,
00:25:42.009 --> 00:25:43.750
he got French officers,
00:25:43.829 --> 00:25:44.750
Lafayette being one of the
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real exceptions, and others.
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So it would be great to see,
00:25:49.074 --> 00:25:49.953
because the French were
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very skilled engineers and
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doing this kind of detailed
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work that was really essential.
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Right, yeah, they're pretty amazing.
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We are very lucky to have them.
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And that's how I feel about
00:26:01.779 --> 00:26:02.681
a lot of our collections.
00:26:02.721 --> 00:26:02.921
You know,
00:26:02.941 --> 00:26:04.201
I'll come across something and say, oh,
00:26:04.241 --> 00:26:04.862
we have that?
00:26:05.042 --> 00:26:05.343
You know,
00:26:05.843 --> 00:26:06.523
and that's just sort of the
00:26:06.544 --> 00:26:07.463
American history stuff that
00:26:07.503 --> 00:26:08.204
I know more about.
00:26:08.865 --> 00:26:10.346
In terms of Masonic collections, you know,
00:26:10.365 --> 00:26:11.586
we've got some really rare
00:26:12.207 --> 00:26:13.848
material that a lot of the
00:26:13.868 --> 00:26:15.410
Masons who visit the museum are just,
00:26:15.549 --> 00:26:15.829
you know,
00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:18.491
wide-eyed to see that it exists here.
00:26:18.632 --> 00:26:18.872
You know,
00:26:18.892 --> 00:26:20.032
you can come see it if you make a
00:26:20.073 --> 00:26:20.752
research appointment.
00:26:20.772 --> 00:26:20.972
I mean,
00:26:20.992 --> 00:26:21.913
we have a research library that's
00:26:21.953 --> 00:26:22.594
open all the time.
00:26:23.055 --> 00:26:24.476
But if you make an appointment,
00:26:24.496 --> 00:26:25.957
then we can pull things and be ready.
00:26:27.098 --> 00:26:28.220
We're talking with Stacey
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.420
Fraser from the Scottish
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.480
Rite Masonic Museum and Library.
00:26:32.102 --> 00:26:33.383
Can you just tell us briefly
00:26:33.643 --> 00:26:34.942
what defines the Scottish
00:26:35.044 --> 00:26:37.684
Rite masons as opposed to other masons?
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Oh, of course you got to ask that.
00:26:40.630 --> 00:26:41.849
So the way I try to sort of
00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:43.592
try to understand it is, you know,
00:26:43.632 --> 00:26:45.012
there's what's called, you know,
00:26:45.032 --> 00:26:45.712
the Blue Lodge,
00:26:45.732 --> 00:26:48.055
which is basically when you first join.
00:26:48.275 --> 00:26:49.855
So whatever local lodge you join,
00:26:49.915 --> 00:26:51.737
you learn how to be a Mason.
00:26:51.797 --> 00:26:52.857
You go through what's called
00:26:52.917 --> 00:26:54.799
degree work and you take the first,
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:55.779
second and third degrees.
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And that makes you a master Mason.
00:26:57.641 --> 00:27:00.123
That makes you equal to any other Mason.
00:27:00.323 --> 00:27:02.265
You're a full Mason after three degrees.
00:27:03.300 --> 00:27:04.442
um and then after that you
00:27:04.461 --> 00:27:05.823
can you can stay you know
00:27:05.843 --> 00:27:07.203
you can just be involved in
00:27:07.223 --> 00:27:08.743
your local lodge have
00:27:08.784 --> 00:27:09.865
plenty to you know do for
00:27:09.904 --> 00:27:10.945
charitable giving and other
00:27:10.965 --> 00:27:12.567
activities or you can
00:27:12.606 --> 00:27:14.847
choose to do more or other
00:27:14.867 --> 00:27:16.909
things uh so some people do
00:27:16.949 --> 00:27:17.690
you know move over to or
00:27:18.789 --> 00:27:19.971
also join the shrine and
00:27:19.990 --> 00:27:20.730
they get involved with the
00:27:20.750 --> 00:27:21.912
shriners you know wonderful
00:27:21.951 --> 00:27:23.532
charities and the circus
00:27:23.553 --> 00:27:24.113
and the parades and
00:27:24.133 --> 00:27:25.634
everything else uh some
00:27:25.673 --> 00:27:26.674
people join the york right
00:27:27.289 --> 00:27:28.471
which has another sort of
00:27:28.530 --> 00:27:30.051
set of degrees that goes with it.
00:27:30.613 --> 00:27:31.712
And then some people join
00:27:31.752 --> 00:27:32.554
the Scottish Rite.
00:27:33.875 --> 00:27:34.935
And the Scottish Rite is
00:27:34.976 --> 00:27:36.356
interesting because it
00:27:36.396 --> 00:27:38.137
takes that idea of degree work,
00:27:38.718 --> 00:27:40.278
which are basically sort of, you know,
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.122
plays or sort of theatrical
00:27:43.442 --> 00:27:45.343
demonstrations that help teach morals,
00:27:45.383 --> 00:27:46.104
teach good morals.
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.240
And it really expands it.
00:27:48.622 --> 00:27:49.281
In Scottish Rite,
00:27:49.301 --> 00:27:50.423
you can go from the fourth
00:27:50.462 --> 00:27:51.483
degree after you've gotten
00:27:51.503 --> 00:27:52.244
your first three in the
00:27:52.285 --> 00:27:53.806
Blue Lodge all the way up
00:27:53.826 --> 00:27:55.267
to the thirty second degree.
00:27:55.988 --> 00:27:58.269
So there's a lot of work and
00:27:58.289 --> 00:27:59.770
a lot of sort of extra study.
00:28:00.211 --> 00:28:01.031
And so I think a lot of
00:28:01.051 --> 00:28:01.873
people who are interested
00:28:01.893 --> 00:28:02.574
in the Scottish Rite
00:28:02.594 --> 00:28:03.714
particularly really just
00:28:03.974 --> 00:28:05.796
they want to know more about Freemasonry.
00:28:05.816 --> 00:28:06.576
They want to be more
00:28:06.596 --> 00:28:08.218
involved and they sort of
00:28:08.258 --> 00:28:09.599
go through the path and, you know,
00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:11.441
The modern organization is great.
00:28:11.461 --> 00:28:13.362
They have like a passport book, you know,
00:28:13.402 --> 00:28:15.403
so you can get a stamp for your fourth,
00:28:15.542 --> 00:28:17.003
your fifth, your sixth degree, you know,
00:28:17.023 --> 00:28:17.763
go all the way through.
00:28:18.704 --> 00:28:19.644
And that's sort of, you know,
00:28:19.664 --> 00:28:20.465
what we've seen is that
00:28:20.486 --> 00:28:21.346
there's a lot of people who
00:28:21.385 --> 00:28:23.326
are just really invested in Freemasonry.
00:28:23.366 --> 00:28:24.407
And so they choose to do
00:28:24.448 --> 00:28:25.188
Scottish Rite because they
00:28:25.208 --> 00:28:27.449
want to learn as much as they can,
00:28:27.469 --> 00:28:27.930
basically.
00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:29.269
Interesting.
00:28:29.309 --> 00:28:30.030
Yeah.
00:28:30.411 --> 00:28:32.892
My grandfather was a thirty-second degree.
00:28:32.912 --> 00:28:32.991
Nice.
00:28:33.011 --> 00:28:33.393
I love that.
00:28:36.071 --> 00:28:38.153
And our son has just become a Mason.
00:28:38.292 --> 00:28:38.853
Oh, nice.
00:28:38.873 --> 00:28:42.214
That's wonderful.
00:28:42.234 --> 00:28:43.634
So much of what the Masons
00:28:43.654 --> 00:28:46.497
do is charitable work.
00:28:46.557 --> 00:28:47.396
Yeah, big part of it.
00:28:47.436 --> 00:28:48.478
And Scottish Rite, you know,
00:28:48.518 --> 00:28:49.657
the Supreme Council for the
00:28:49.678 --> 00:28:51.058
Northern Masonic Jurisdiction, you know,
00:28:51.078 --> 00:28:52.118
they have lots of
00:28:52.278 --> 00:28:53.640
scholarship programs and
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:55.201
relief and aid programs.
00:28:55.800 --> 00:28:56.942
It really is one of the
00:28:56.981 --> 00:28:59.643
prime sort of ideas of
00:28:59.663 --> 00:29:00.883
Freemasonry is giving back
00:29:00.923 --> 00:29:01.604
to the community.
00:29:01.624 --> 00:29:01.743
Yes.
00:29:01.903 --> 00:29:04.204
And I should always show
00:29:07.127 --> 00:29:08.449
doing a lot to commemorate
00:29:08.469 --> 00:29:09.348
the two fiftieth.
00:29:09.388 --> 00:29:09.888
In fact,
00:29:10.529 --> 00:29:11.589
they're very much involved with
00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:12.770
Henry Knox Trail because
00:29:12.851 --> 00:29:14.010
Knox was a mason.
00:29:14.131 --> 00:29:16.393
And I know there's a plan to
00:29:16.413 --> 00:29:17.833
put a statue of Knox at
00:29:17.913 --> 00:29:18.693
Dorchester Heights.
00:29:18.713 --> 00:29:19.314
And of course,
00:29:19.673 --> 00:29:20.515
building any kind of a
00:29:20.575 --> 00:29:22.496
monument involves masons
00:29:23.756 --> 00:29:25.116
with both a capital M and a
00:29:25.277 --> 00:29:28.538
lowercase m. And a couple of years ago,
00:29:28.557 --> 00:29:29.778
when a time capsule was
00:29:29.878 --> 00:29:31.200
unearthed at the State House,
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:32.760
the masons had a ceremony
00:29:32.861 --> 00:29:33.740
replacing it because the
00:29:33.780 --> 00:29:35.662
original time capsule was placed there by
00:29:36.663 --> 00:29:38.388
Samuel Adams and Paul Revere.
00:29:39.090 --> 00:29:40.895
Adams then being the governor and Revere,
00:29:40.915 --> 00:29:41.215
of course,
00:29:41.237 --> 00:29:42.599
being the grandmaster of the
00:29:42.721 --> 00:29:43.583
Masonic Lodge.
00:29:44.061 --> 00:29:44.521
Right.
00:29:44.602 --> 00:29:44.801
Yeah.
00:29:44.922 --> 00:29:46.742
No, if there's a cornerstone to be laid,
00:29:47.482 --> 00:29:48.903
masons are really happy to do it.
00:29:49.423 --> 00:29:50.644
We had a cornerstone laying
00:29:50.664 --> 00:29:51.704
ceremony here at the museum,
00:29:52.105 --> 00:29:53.125
March of seventy four.
00:29:54.226 --> 00:29:54.987
And what we're going to do
00:29:55.027 --> 00:29:56.166
this year is basically
00:29:56.227 --> 00:29:57.307
create we have a granite
00:29:57.327 --> 00:29:58.948
block that just arrived today.
00:29:59.367 --> 00:30:00.528
And we're going to sort of
00:30:00.588 --> 00:30:02.210
rededicate the museum and
00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:03.009
put the granite block
00:30:03.049 --> 00:30:03.910
somewhere with a time
00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:04.911
capsule inside with
00:30:04.951 --> 00:30:05.851
contributions from
00:30:06.230 --> 00:30:07.271
community groups and Masonic groups.
00:30:07.291 --> 00:30:07.971
So that's what's happening
00:30:07.991 --> 00:30:08.852
on April thirteenth.
00:30:10.612 --> 00:30:12.193
Yeah, that's one of many things,
00:30:12.233 --> 00:30:14.696
but the Grand Lodge has been kind enough,
00:30:14.738 --> 00:30:15.578
Grand Master George
00:30:15.618 --> 00:30:17.201
Hamilton and his officer
00:30:17.221 --> 00:30:18.342
suite will be here to
00:30:18.782 --> 00:30:20.265
rededicate the museum in a
00:30:20.305 --> 00:30:21.385
similar ceremony to the
00:30:21.405 --> 00:30:22.428
Cornerstone dedication.
00:30:23.269 --> 00:30:23.888
And then we'll have some
00:30:23.909 --> 00:30:26.029
remarks in the auditorium, refreshments,
00:30:26.069 --> 00:30:27.809
chance for people to see the exhibitions.
00:30:28.609 --> 00:30:29.510
It should be a good day.
00:30:29.530 --> 00:30:31.431
We've got a really great response so far.
00:30:31.490 --> 00:30:32.471
We've got over four hundred
00:30:32.530 --> 00:30:34.692
people who we think are coming.
00:30:35.291 --> 00:30:36.551
So we're looking forward to that.
00:30:37.393 --> 00:30:39.073
Our auditorium seats three hundred ninety.
00:30:39.272 --> 00:30:40.633
So it was kind of like, you know,
00:30:41.173 --> 00:30:41.574
four hundred.
00:30:41.594 --> 00:30:44.493
We were like, OK, an overflow room.
00:30:44.534 --> 00:30:45.654
So it'll be great.
00:30:45.694 --> 00:30:46.295
We're really looking forward
00:30:46.315 --> 00:30:47.974
to showing everyone what
00:30:48.174 --> 00:30:49.134
what's on display and
00:30:49.174 --> 00:30:50.175
everything that the museum
00:30:50.215 --> 00:30:51.175
has to offer these days.
00:30:52.227 --> 00:30:53.573
It's really terrific and I
00:30:53.613 --> 00:30:54.657
look forward to seeing it,
00:30:54.698 --> 00:30:56.084
look forward to further
00:30:56.125 --> 00:30:57.148
exhibits at the museum.
00:30:57.826 --> 00:30:58.768
Are there other Masonic
00:30:58.827 --> 00:31:00.048
lodges with museums around the country?
00:31:01.128 --> 00:31:02.368
There are, yeah.
00:31:02.849 --> 00:31:03.710
So when I say Northern
00:31:03.750 --> 00:31:05.750
Masonic jurisdiction for Scottish Rite,
00:31:05.770 --> 00:31:07.192
there's also a Southern jurisdiction.
00:31:08.231 --> 00:31:08.952
And ironically,
00:31:08.972 --> 00:31:09.833
because of how early in the
00:31:09.853 --> 00:31:11.513
nation's history those were established,
00:31:11.874 --> 00:31:13.015
they're not equally twenty
00:31:13.055 --> 00:31:14.015
five and twenty five.
00:31:14.955 --> 00:31:16.277
They are fifteen for the
00:31:16.297 --> 00:31:17.596
northern states and thirty
00:31:17.636 --> 00:31:19.417
five for the remaining states.
00:31:19.818 --> 00:31:21.259
So it's kind of more, you know,
00:31:21.358 --> 00:31:23.099
geographically sort of the
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:24.020
cluster in the northeast
00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:25.161
that was kind of earliest
00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:26.321
and then spread from there.
00:31:26.961 --> 00:31:27.883
But they have a beautiful
00:31:27.903 --> 00:31:28.864
museum called House of the
00:31:28.903 --> 00:31:30.944
Temple down in D.C.
00:31:32.086 --> 00:31:32.865
And there's a number of
00:31:32.967 --> 00:31:34.346
other Grand Lodges that
00:31:34.366 --> 00:31:35.647
have really wonderful museums,
00:31:35.688 --> 00:31:36.788
Grand Lodge of New York,
00:31:37.169 --> 00:31:38.971
Grand Lodge of Iowa, California.
00:31:40.332 --> 00:31:41.392
There's a few others that
00:31:41.432 --> 00:31:43.273
have these wonderful Masonic museums.
00:31:45.056 --> 00:31:46.176
in their buildings or in a
00:31:46.217 --> 00:31:46.896
separate building.
00:31:47.737 --> 00:31:48.656
And then of course, you know,
00:31:48.717 --> 00:31:50.038
in England and in Europe,
00:31:50.077 --> 00:31:51.357
there are art museums,
00:31:51.597 --> 00:31:52.558
Masonic museums for the
00:31:52.598 --> 00:31:55.078
Grand Lodges and others.
00:31:55.278 --> 00:31:56.359
So it's a smaller group in
00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:57.960
terms of the bigger museum field,
00:31:58.019 --> 00:31:59.921
but there's more than you would expect.
00:31:59.941 --> 00:32:02.342
That's interesting.
00:32:02.442 --> 00:32:02.961
It's interesting.
00:32:02.981 --> 00:32:03.862
And so you're still actively collecting?
00:32:04.690 --> 00:32:05.170
We are.
00:32:05.289 --> 00:32:05.611
Yeah,
00:32:05.651 --> 00:32:06.550
we have a collections committee
00:32:06.570 --> 00:32:07.352
meeting every month.
00:32:07.471 --> 00:32:08.413
And, you know,
00:32:08.452 --> 00:32:10.034
we either have donations
00:32:10.054 --> 00:32:12.275
that are offered where we actually I was.
00:32:12.315 --> 00:32:13.816
So I personally was a rainbow girl,
00:32:14.017 --> 00:32:14.676
which is one of the
00:32:15.057 --> 00:32:16.377
organizations for Freemasonry.
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.080
And we did not have a rainbow dress.
00:32:20.161 --> 00:32:21.501
They wear sort of long white dresses.
00:32:21.561 --> 00:32:22.402
We did not have one in the
00:32:22.442 --> 00:32:24.124
collection until about a month ago.
00:32:24.763 --> 00:32:25.944
A wonderful woman from
00:32:26.005 --> 00:32:28.247
California offered us her
00:32:28.287 --> 00:32:30.008
rainbow dress from the fifties.
00:32:30.827 --> 00:32:31.509
Beautiful.
00:32:31.608 --> 00:32:31.989
And, you know,
00:32:32.009 --> 00:32:33.529
we have to work out shipping and,
00:32:33.609 --> 00:32:34.471
you know, all of that.
00:32:35.057 --> 00:32:36.417
getting it safely across the country,
00:32:36.478 --> 00:32:38.038
but it arrived and it's great.
00:32:38.578 --> 00:32:39.538
And we're just really
00:32:39.558 --> 00:32:41.239
grateful that people offer
00:32:41.499 --> 00:32:43.079
us material and we've been
00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:43.660
able to build the
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.339
collection so well in that way.
00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:46.480
Wonderful.
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.000
We're talking with Stacey
00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:49.300
Fraser from the Scottish
00:32:49.340 --> 00:32:50.721
Rite Masonic Museum and
00:32:50.780 --> 00:32:52.402
Library in Lexington,
00:32:52.422 --> 00:32:54.761
which will be having gala
00:32:54.781 --> 00:32:56.142
events on April thirteenth,
00:32:56.201 --> 00:32:58.002
an exhibit opening as well
00:32:58.022 --> 00:32:59.163
as other things and lots of
00:32:59.202 --> 00:33:01.542
other exhibits happening at the museum,
00:33:01.583 --> 00:33:03.183
which tell the story of the
00:33:03.203 --> 00:33:04.183
American Revolution.
00:33:10.780 --> 00:33:11.541
and other things.
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So really, thank you so much, Stacey.
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Is there anything else we
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should talk about?
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I would just add one more
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exhibition that's been sort
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of recently added is the
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DAR and American
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Battlefield Trust have
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worked together to create a
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traveling exhibition based
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on their online exhibition
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called the American
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Revolution Experience.
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Right.
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We're going to be hosting
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that as well during the sort of, you know,
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I think it's the it'll be
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up the thirteenth to the twenty seventh.
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So sort of those two weeks
00:33:40.356 --> 00:33:41.336
around Patriots Day,
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we'll be having that as
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well in our lobby.
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So there'll be really, you know,
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you'll come and there's
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basically five exhibitions
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for people to see about the
00:33:49.538 --> 00:33:51.358
revolution and then one
00:33:51.398 --> 00:33:53.138
about the history of the museum.
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Tell us about the American
00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:56.779
Revolution experience that there.
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so it's a nice you know it's
00:33:58.661 --> 00:33:59.662
a really nice setup from
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what I've seen um you know
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there's sort of the pull-up
00:34:02.042 --> 00:34:03.544
banner you know style but
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also with uh kiosks with
00:34:05.464 --> 00:34:06.705
sort of some interactivity
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um and it's a really it was
00:34:08.686 --> 00:34:09.427
based on an online
00:34:09.467 --> 00:34:10.547
exhibition the dar put
00:34:10.568 --> 00:34:12.588
together really looking at
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um you know everyone who
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contributed which is you
00:34:15.351 --> 00:34:17.092
know our goal in protest and promise too
00:34:17.632 --> 00:34:19.052
is it's not just about you
00:34:19.072 --> 00:34:19.994
know johnny hancock's of
00:34:20.014 --> 00:34:21.335
the world it's about peggy
00:34:21.355 --> 00:34:22.335
ship and arnold's and it's
00:34:22.375 --> 00:34:23.135
about you know prince
00:34:23.155 --> 00:34:24.797
estabrook and you know the
00:34:24.817 --> 00:34:25.456
american revolution
00:34:25.496 --> 00:34:26.697
experience seems to be a
00:34:26.757 --> 00:34:28.659
good um a good way to kind
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:29.679
of approach it from lots of
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.201
different angles um so
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:31.981
we're happy that we'll be
00:34:32.001 --> 00:34:33.623
able to show that alongside
00:34:33.762 --> 00:34:34.583
you know the other material
00:34:34.603 --> 00:34:35.724
will be up for longer that
00:34:36.364 --> 00:34:38.246
is great so thank you so
00:34:38.266 --> 00:34:39.226
much for all you're doing
00:34:39.286 --> 00:34:40.646
to keep history alive and
00:34:40.706 --> 00:34:42.728
promote it in lexington and beyond
00:34:43.489 --> 00:34:45.652
Well, thank you for having me.
00:34:45.692 --> 00:34:46.833
It's really wonderful being
00:34:46.853 --> 00:34:47.594
in the public history
00:34:47.614 --> 00:34:49.195
community in Massachusetts,
00:34:49.235 --> 00:34:50.818
particularly in New England more broadly.
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:52.119
These days,
00:34:52.579 --> 00:34:54.382
we are all very committed to
00:34:54.402 --> 00:34:55.463
what we're doing.
00:34:55.543 --> 00:34:56.605
I mentioned this to Jonathan
00:34:56.684 --> 00:34:58.427
actually months ago when I
00:34:58.447 --> 00:34:59.387
was in the National Park.
00:35:00.443 --> 00:35:01.463
just having seen J.L.
00:35:01.483 --> 00:35:03.204
Bell's talk around the time
00:35:03.304 --> 00:35:04.346
of the Powder Alarm,
00:35:05.226 --> 00:35:06.768
just the idea that while
00:35:06.807 --> 00:35:08.369
writing about the exhibition text,
00:35:08.469 --> 00:35:09.389
writing the exhibition text,
00:35:09.750 --> 00:35:11.351
I could go and see, you know,
00:35:11.630 --> 00:35:12.891
a live firing of the cannon
00:35:12.931 --> 00:35:15.092
from Knox Country Company and hear J.L.
00:35:15.112 --> 00:35:16.114
Bell talk about the stealing
00:35:16.134 --> 00:35:16.914
of the cannon from the gun
00:35:16.954 --> 00:35:17.994
house in Boston Comet.
00:35:18.335 --> 00:35:19.295
There's so much sort of
00:35:19.356 --> 00:35:20.677
material out there because
00:35:20.717 --> 00:35:21.797
people put it out there.
00:35:22.418 --> 00:35:23.139
It really makes the
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:24.960
experience really rich if you
00:35:25.340 --> 00:35:27.443
seek it out and experience those things.
00:35:27.463 --> 00:35:29.246
It's amazing.
00:35:29.347 --> 00:35:29.887
It really is.
00:35:29.907 --> 00:35:30.728
So thank you so much for
00:35:30.748 --> 00:35:31.730
what you do to keep it
00:35:31.769 --> 00:35:33.693
alive and to share these stories.
00:35:34.293 --> 00:35:34.835
Absolutely.
00:35:34.875 --> 00:35:35.635
Thanks for having me.
00:35:35.657 --> 00:35:37.199
It's been a joy.
00:35:37.259 --> 00:35:38.501
We've been talking with Stacey Pree.
00:35:44.081 --> 00:35:45.222
exciting things happening there.
00:35:45.242 --> 00:35:46.103
So thank you, Stacey.
00:35:46.143 --> 00:35:47.925
And I want to thank Jonathan Lane,
00:35:47.945 --> 00:35:49.226
the man behind the curtain.
00:35:49.306 --> 00:35:50.246
And if you have an idea for
00:35:50.286 --> 00:35:51.527
something we should talk about,
00:35:51.807 --> 00:35:53.329
or you want to just get in touch with us,
00:35:53.769 --> 00:35:55.010
send Jonathan an email,
00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:57.313
jlane at revolution two fifty dot org,
00:35:57.393 --> 00:35:59.193
revolution two five zero dot org.
00:35:59.855 --> 00:36:01.096
And if you're in one of these,
00:36:01.155 --> 00:36:02.237
every week we thank folks
00:36:02.257 --> 00:36:03.677
who are tuning in regularly.
00:36:04.338 --> 00:36:05.679
And I want to thank you and
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.121
everyone else who joins us
00:36:07.181 --> 00:36:08.842
to hear and talk about history.
00:36:08.882 --> 00:36:09.943
So this week, I want to thank
00:36:10.663 --> 00:36:11.804
If you're in one of these places,
00:36:11.844 --> 00:36:12.983
send Jonathan an email.
00:36:13.003 --> 00:36:13.844
He'll send you some of our
00:36:13.864 --> 00:36:15.365
Revolution Two-Fifty swag.
00:36:16.065 --> 00:36:16.585
So this week,
00:36:16.606 --> 00:36:17.827
I want to thank our listeners
00:36:17.887 --> 00:36:19.728
in Philadelphia, New York,
00:36:20.327 --> 00:36:21.568
and in Lexington,
00:36:21.989 --> 00:36:23.269
as well as Clinton and
00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:24.811
Boston in the Commonwealth
00:36:24.831 --> 00:36:26.831
of Massachusetts, in Tampa,
00:36:27.012 --> 00:36:29.032
and in New Egypt, New Jersey,
00:36:29.112 --> 00:36:30.813
and in all places between and beyond.
00:36:31.153 --> 00:36:32.054
Thanks for joining us.
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Now we'll be piped out.