"Oh That Dreadful Tea!" - the Musical

 Ruthanne Paulson and Deborah Potee have created a musical, "Oh, That Dreadful Tea," designed to allow kids to experience the thrill of performing and telling the story of the Boston Tea Party through song and drama.  Their musical is designed to make this pivotal event more memorable and impactful for elementary and middle school students. Find out more in our conversation! 

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 I do love a good cup of tea
 
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 A decent cup brings out the
 
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 best in me Since the
 
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 English began taxing our
 
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 tea It's like they're
 
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 stealing from you and me
 
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 I do love a good cup of tea
 
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 A decent cup brings out the
 
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 best in me But now to
 
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 assert our liberty We have
 
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 to drink this awful tea But
 
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 I am willing for my family
 
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 And all the people of the
 
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 colonies to give up my
 
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 delicious Indian tea and
 
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 drink this cup of Liberty.
 
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 I do love a good cup of tea.
 
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 A decent cup brings out the best in me.
 
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 So the English think they can tax our tea.
 
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 No, they'll not steal from you and me.
 
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 Bravo.
 
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 Thank you.
 
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 Welcome, everyone,
 
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 to the Revolution 250 podcast.
 
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 I am Bob Allison.
 
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 I chair the Rev 250 Advisory Group,
 
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 and we are a consortium of
 
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 groups planning ways to
 
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 commemorate the beginnings
 
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 of American independence.
 
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 And we have with us today
 
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 two people who've done
 
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 something really exciting
 
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 in commemorating the
 
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 beginnings of American independence.
 
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 Ruth Ann Paulson,
 
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 who is the proprietor of
 
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 Performing Arts
 
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 Inspirations in Northfield, Mass.
 
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 And Deb Potey, Deborah Potey,
 
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 who is an educator, school social worker,
 
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 and also a writer of history.
 
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 Deb has written the book,
 
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 Ruthann's written the music
 
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 and the lyrics for a
 
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 musical called Oh That Dreadful Tea.
 
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 So Ruthann and Deb, thanks for joining us.
 
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 Thank you for inviting us.
 
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 So what gave you this idea
 
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 of doing a musical about
 
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 the Boston Tea Party?
 
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 Can I go, Ruthann?
 
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 Sure.
 
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 I had been volunteering for
 
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 a while in both my
 
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 daughters' elementary school classes.
 
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 So I have two daughters.
 
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 And so with the older one,
 
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 I had done Reader's Theater with them.
 
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 And at the same time,
 
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 Ruthann was running the
 
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 Cardboard Box Theater Company.
 
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 And so my daughters were in those classes.
 
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 productions.
 
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 And I wanted to bring
 
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 theater into schools
 
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 because theater is an
 
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 opportunity to be able to
 
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 be something different
 
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 other than who you are and
 
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 kids love to dress up.
 
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 And so I had been working
 
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 with my daughter's class
 
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 and they were very, very talented, very
 
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 articulate, you know,
 
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 fun group of students.
 
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 And I thought, oh, you know,
 
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 we'll do Reader's Theater
 
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 for a little while and then
 
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 maybe we'll get to a play.
 
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 And I've been looking around
 
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 for just a small play to
 
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 introduce them to, you know,
 
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 the whole class,
 
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 not just the kids that
 
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 Ruthann had been working with.
 
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 And when I was looking up,
 
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 I like history a lot.
 
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 I was a history major in
 
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 college and I couldn't find a short,
 
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 well-written play.
 
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 And I decided just to write my own.
 
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 And I don't know why the
 
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 Boston Tea Party stuck with me,
 
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 but I think I was,
 
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 I just very much interested
 
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 in history and I wanted the students to,
 
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 I wanted the teacher to let
 
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 me be in the classroom.
 
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 So I knew it had to be an educational,
 
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 And so I also love this book
 
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 called Mr. Revere and I by Robert Lawson.
 
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 Oh, it's a great book.
 
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 I read it as a kid multiple times.
 
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 And I thought, oh, I'll abridge it.
 
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 I'll make it much shorter.
 
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 I won't have the lead
 
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 character who's a horse,
 
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 who's Mr. Revere's horse.
 
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 but I will take snippets in
 
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 particular scenes that I
 
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 still find very funny today
 
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 and write this short play.
 
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 And the play introduces the
 
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 concept of all the
 
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 different taxes and how
 
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 outraged the citizens are,
 
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 and then focuses
 
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 specifically on just all
 
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 the events leading up to
 
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 the Boston Tea Party and
 
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 then the next day.
 
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 And it felt fine,
 
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 but it also felt really short.
 
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 So one day after doing this
 
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 production with my
 
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 daughter's fifth grade class,
 
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 I ran into Ruthanne and
 
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 Ruthanne and I were friends.
 
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 She was my daughter's piano teacher.
 
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 She also had been teaching
 
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 my girls in the cardboard box theater.
 
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 And she was also my tap dance teacher.
 
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 We tapped together and I
 
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 knew how talented she was.
 
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 And I said,
 
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 there's something about this
 
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 play I think it needs to be
 
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 expanded and I think it
 
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 would do really well with
 
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 some songs um and she was
 
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 game so um she took the
 
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 script because she hadn't I
 
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 don't know she had seen she
 
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 had come to see some of my
 
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 my plays at the elementary
 
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 school but I don't think
 
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 she had seen that play and
 
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 so she you know you go you
 
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 you go next ruthanne tell
 
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 tell us tell everyone what
 
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 you did with it
 
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 I took the script and I
 
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 looked at all of the words
 
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 and I you know took the
 
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 information and of course
 
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 I'm a rhymer so it don't
 
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 rhyme because that's the
 
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 way I do my music and yeah
 
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 so I also wanted the
 
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 tunes and the energy of the
 
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 songs to match what was
 
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 happening in that scene so
 
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 I tried to write it that
 
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 way um and uh yeah it was a
 
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 lot of fun and I have
 
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 already been writing um it
 
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 didn't take long because
 
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 I've at that time for those
 
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 that was the end of like 10
 
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 years that I'd already been
 
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 writing all these musicals.
 
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 And I think I'd already
 
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 written about 40 musicals
 
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 for the Cardboard Box Theater.
 
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 So it was just part of my brain.
 
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 And the information was great.
 
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 So the play itself said
 
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 everything that needed to
 
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 be said and it was
 
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 organized very well so that I could
 
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 put it in order in the song
 
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 and just make it, you know, fun,
 
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 obviously, for the kids.
 
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 And as I said before,
 
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 I like everything to rhyme,
 
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 so I think that helps them connect to it.
 
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 Great.
 
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 Can you tell us a little, Rosanne,
 
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 about the cardboard box theater,
 
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 what that is?
 
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 The Cardboard Box Theater.
 
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 Well,
 
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 it was me leading theater classes and
 
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 we did skits and improv and
 
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 all this stuff.
 
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 And then we would come up
 
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 with an idea for a play.
 
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 And sometimes it was based on like a story,
 
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 loosely based on a story,
 
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 a picture book or something.
 
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 But often it was just based on an idea.
 
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 And I would ask the kids, like, oh, well,
 
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 you know,
 
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 what character do you want to
 
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 have in this play or be in this play?
 
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 And then maybe, you know,
 
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 somebody says a flying pig.
 
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 And so I would, you know,
 
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 somehow incorporate that.
 
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 And with the kids' ideas and input,
 
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 then I would go home and...
 
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 whip off this eight scene
 
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 play and write about four
 
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 songs for it and come back
 
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 and choreograph the whole thing.
 
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 And we made cardboard sets.
 
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 And my daughter,
 
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 I'm not like a super artist or anything.
 
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 So my daughter helped in that area.
 
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 And so the sets, believe it or not,
 
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 were actually pretty substantial.
 
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 A lot of cardboard.
 
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 Wow, that's amazing.
 
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 So yeah, we put all those on for the town.
 
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 Great, great.
 
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 And what ages were performing?
 
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 Seven to 12.
 
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 And then I think as like,
 
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 as Deb's daughter got older, I think,
 
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 I think Vivi was still in it.
 
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 Yeah.
 
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 And she came as a teenager.
 
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 I had a little crew that started,
 
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 I think Vivi started at age four.
 
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 And then she was, yeah,
 
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 maybe 14 when I moved, actually.
 
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 I live in Gloucester now,
 
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 so that's where our operations is now,
 
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 by the way.
 
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 Thanks.
 
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 And so I know I've seen a
 
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 video of a performance of this.
 
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 Has it been done more than
 
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 for your group groups?
 
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 no it's uh what so so we did
 
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 this production uh with the
 
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 music with the three I
 
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 remember she literally I
 
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 gave her the script and
 
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 like maybe a week later she
 
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 said oh I've written the
 
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 songs and I was like great
 
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 and we put it on um so that was in um 20
 
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 I think I read it in 2014.
 
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 We did it with my daughter's
 
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 class just as a straight play.
 
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 And then with my niece,
 
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 who is a year younger,
 
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 we added the songs and it
 
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 was done at the elementary school.
 
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 And it was great.
 
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 And we thought, oh, you know,
 
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 we really need to try to do
 
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 it again and try to capture
 
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 this in some format.
 
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 And Hamilton had just come on the scene.
 
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 And so I remember vividly
 
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 going to Ruthann saying, hey,
 
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 let's add a rap or let's add,
 
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 I think it needs an introduction,
 
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 an introduction song, right?
 
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 And so she's like, okay.
 
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 The two of us,
 
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 we were good friends and we
 
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 were always up to
 
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 collaborate on something fun like this.
 
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 And so she went back and she
 
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 wrote this rap to add to the beginning.
 
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 And I...
 
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 wanted very much to get the
 
 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:43.921
 group of students that we
 
 00:10:43.961 --> 00:10:46.724
 knew so well who were just
 
 00:10:46.744 --> 00:10:47.644
 really talented.
 
 00:10:49.605 --> 00:10:50.466
 And I wanted to have it
 
 00:10:50.506 --> 00:10:53.330
 filmed because I felt very
 
 00:10:53.389 --> 00:10:54.390
 strongly that this,
 
 00:10:55.251 --> 00:10:56.873
 also based upon the fifth
 
 00:10:56.913 --> 00:10:57.693
 grade teacher who I had
 
 00:10:57.734 --> 00:10:58.634
 been working with for a
 
 00:10:58.695 --> 00:11:00.356
 long time doing other plays,
 
 00:11:00.856 --> 00:11:01.898
 she kept saying to me,
 
 00:11:03.173 --> 00:11:04.695
 this is not an inconvenience
 
 00:11:04.735 --> 00:11:05.674
 having you come in because
 
 00:11:05.695 --> 00:11:08.196
 this is helping me meet all
 
 00:11:08.235 --> 00:11:09.875
 of these common core
 
 00:11:09.916 --> 00:11:13.437
 standards that I have to meet for DESE,
 
 00:11:13.577 --> 00:11:14.837
 for the Department of
 
 00:11:14.977 --> 00:11:16.658
 Elementary and Secondary Education.
 
 00:11:17.278 --> 00:11:18.919
 And she basically said,
 
 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.340
 you're doing all this work
 
 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:22.721
 that I can claim as my own.
 
 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:24.701
 And I thought, which was fine.
 
 00:11:25.142 --> 00:11:26.201
 And I just thought, oh,
 
 00:11:26.442 --> 00:11:28.383
 this would be so perfect as
 
 00:11:28.442 --> 00:11:30.943
 a curriculum to have both this play
 
 00:11:31.884 --> 00:11:35.407
 find an interested music teacher,
 
 00:11:35.427 --> 00:11:36.847
 hopefully, at the elementary school.
 
 00:11:37.368 --> 00:11:38.809
 And you can also do the read
 
 00:11:38.830 --> 00:11:40.390
 aloud of Mr. Revere and I.
 
 00:11:40.530 --> 00:11:43.832
 And I also had a list of
 
 00:11:43.873 --> 00:11:45.094
 all the vocab words that
 
 00:11:45.193 --> 00:11:46.855
 students could learn, right?
 
 00:11:47.355 --> 00:11:48.576
 And memorize, you know.
 
 00:11:48.596 --> 00:11:50.979
 I'm not a teacher,
 
 00:11:51.019 --> 00:11:54.041
 but I value education deeply.
 
 00:11:54.621 --> 00:11:55.662
 And I just thought...
 
 00:11:56.442 --> 00:11:57.884
 we should just kind of package this.
 
 00:11:57.943 --> 00:11:59.384
 And to be able to do that,
 
 00:12:00.265 --> 00:12:01.986
 we have to have it documented, right?
 
 00:12:02.047 --> 00:12:04.087
 So that other people can replicate it.
 
 00:12:04.467 --> 00:12:05.609
 I wrote a cultural council
 
 00:12:05.668 --> 00:12:07.070
 grants to pay for a
 
 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:08.090
 professional to come and
 
 00:12:08.211 --> 00:12:11.211
 film it with the added wrap.
 
 00:12:11.251 --> 00:12:12.533
 And then Ruth and I,
 
 00:12:12.712 --> 00:12:14.153
 Ruthanne and I ran around
 
 00:12:14.293 --> 00:12:15.715
 collecting students who are
 
 00:12:15.754 --> 00:12:20.498
 now seventh graders and fifth,
 
 00:12:20.557 --> 00:12:21.639
 sixth and seventh graders.
 
 00:12:21.719 --> 00:12:24.321
 I think that the, the, the,
 
 00:12:25.527 --> 00:12:28.129
 one of the younger ones was my daughter,
 
 00:12:28.149 --> 00:12:31.072
 my younger daughter, Juliet, who is,
 
 00:12:31.432 --> 00:12:32.774
 I can't remember what she was,
 
 00:12:32.855 --> 00:12:34.476
 maybe she was six or seven.
 
 00:12:35.677 --> 00:12:37.720
 And we got the local high
 
 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.442
 school to let us use their
 
 00:12:39.481 --> 00:12:41.182
 space for almost no money.
 
 00:12:41.303 --> 00:12:41.384
 And
 
 00:12:41.844 --> 00:12:42.504
 then we had it filmed.
 
 00:12:43.384 --> 00:12:45.024
 And that's really all that
 
 00:12:45.065 --> 00:12:46.085
 has happened with it.
 
 00:12:46.144 --> 00:12:48.605
 So we have this idea and
 
 00:12:48.645 --> 00:12:51.647
 this wish so much that we
 
 00:12:51.667 --> 00:12:52.567
 would just love to have
 
 00:12:52.967 --> 00:12:54.368
 everyone in the state of
 
 00:12:54.408 --> 00:12:56.009
 Massachusetts have access
 
 00:12:56.089 --> 00:12:57.749
 to this play or this curriculum.
 
 00:12:58.028 --> 00:12:59.149
 Because I know it's very
 
 00:12:59.190 --> 00:13:00.070
 expensive when you go
 
 00:13:00.129 --> 00:13:03.010
 online to find something like this.
 
 00:13:04.311 --> 00:13:05.611
 It's sometimes just not
 
 00:13:05.731 --> 00:13:07.751
 possible to afford it
 
 00:13:07.831 --> 00:13:08.673
 because there's no money in
 
 00:13:08.712 --> 00:13:09.773
 budgets for things like this.
 
 00:13:10.373 --> 00:13:11.813
 right so you're inviting
 
 00:13:11.854 --> 00:13:13.434
 people to pick this up make
 
 00:13:13.455 --> 00:13:14.495
 it available to people
 
 00:13:14.676 --> 00:13:15.836
 right yeah so it's not it's
 
 00:13:15.856 --> 00:13:17.638
 gone nowhere essentially
 
 00:13:17.738 --> 00:13:19.038
 yeah it's nowhere yet but
 
 00:13:19.099 --> 00:13:20.379
 then your hope is that
 
 00:13:20.499 --> 00:13:21.080
 every school in
 
 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.000
 massachusetts will be
 
 00:13:22.059 --> 00:13:23.620
 performing this I just
 
 00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:24.022
 think that would be
 
 00:13:24.062 --> 00:13:25.423
 incredible it would be yeah
 
 00:13:26.423 --> 00:13:30.024
 I was a classroom teacher for 20 years.
 
 00:13:30.163 --> 00:13:32.264
 And so my personal opinion
 
 00:13:32.845 --> 00:13:34.424
 is that they read this book
 
 00:13:36.206 --> 00:13:38.287
 and then they do this play
 
 00:13:38.307 --> 00:13:40.506
 and it's organized so well.
 
 00:13:40.547 --> 00:13:42.868
 The narrator first tells everything
 
 00:13:43.707 --> 00:13:45.549
 And then the next thing that
 
 00:13:45.570 --> 00:13:47.451
 happens is the kids, you know,
 
 00:13:47.711 --> 00:13:48.392
 perform it.
 
 00:13:48.971 --> 00:13:50.494
 And then there's the songs
 
 00:13:50.533 --> 00:13:52.095
 that reinforce everything.
 
 00:13:52.154 --> 00:13:53.316
 And they're, you know,
 
 00:13:53.535 --> 00:13:54.876
 all the songs are choreographed.
 
 00:13:54.897 --> 00:13:56.138
 So they're using their body
 
 00:13:56.677 --> 00:13:59.279
 to also remember all that information.
 
 00:13:59.660 --> 00:14:01.662
 And I just think it's a
 
 00:14:02.062 --> 00:14:05.365
 beautifully packaged piece
 
 00:14:05.465 --> 00:14:07.527
 of educational material.
 
 00:14:08.990 --> 00:14:11.054
 So why don't we hear another of the songs?
 
 00:14:12.077 --> 00:14:13.441
 We have a couple queued up.
 
 00:14:14.081 --> 00:14:15.303
 We have Tea and Taxes.
 
 00:14:15.345 --> 00:14:17.168
 Would that be a good one to hear next?
 
 00:14:17.288 --> 00:14:17.789
 Oh, sure.
 
 00:14:23.062 --> 00:14:24.844
 Taxes, taxes and tea.
 
 00:14:24.884 --> 00:14:27.464
 Let's dump it on the seas as we,
 
 00:14:27.504 --> 00:14:28.825
 the sons of liberty.
 
 00:14:29.365 --> 00:14:31.745
 Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
 
 00:14:32.206 --> 00:14:34.947
 But orders from the king, you see,
 
 00:14:35.167 --> 00:14:37.386
 threaten to stop our ride over tea.
 
 00:14:37.586 --> 00:14:40.408
 Oh, bring it on, your majesty.
 
 00:14:41.107 --> 00:14:43.009
 We are the sons of liberty.
 
 00:14:46.118 --> 00:14:48.080
 Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
 
 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.942
 Let's dump it on the sea, says we,
 
 00:14:50.982 --> 00:14:52.264
 the sons of liberty.
 
 00:14:52.724 --> 00:14:55.206
 Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
 
 00:14:55.966 --> 00:14:57.889
 Let's take action.
 
 00:14:58.490 --> 00:15:00.110
 No more distraction.
 
 00:15:04.283 --> 00:15:06.245
 Let's flavor that tea with
 
 00:15:06.284 --> 00:15:08.666
 salt water and give liberty cheer.
 
 00:15:08.806 --> 00:15:11.466
 Hey, tea in Texas, Texas and tea.
 
 00:15:11.486 --> 00:15:13.868
 Let's dump it on the seas as we,
 
 00:15:13.908 --> 00:15:15.087
 the sons of liberty.
 
 00:15:15.568 --> 00:15:21.691
 Tea in Texas, Texas and tea.
 
 00:15:22.912 --> 00:15:23.172
 Well,
 
 00:15:23.211 --> 00:15:25.452
 you hear a song like that and you
 
 00:15:25.753 --> 00:15:26.913
 don't believe it was just
 
 00:15:26.972 --> 00:15:28.293
 written within the last 10 years.
 
 00:15:28.413 --> 00:15:29.914
 It's timeless.
 
 00:15:30.095 --> 00:15:31.294
 It's really pretty well done.
 
 00:15:32.796 --> 00:15:33.296
 Well, thank you.
 
 00:15:34.469 --> 00:15:35.889
 We're talking with Deb Poti
 
 00:15:36.190 --> 00:15:37.410
 and Ruth Ann Paulson,
 
 00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:39.211
 who have collaborated on a play,
 
 00:15:39.390 --> 00:15:40.552
 Oh That Dreadful Tea,
 
 00:15:41.912 --> 00:15:44.673
 really geared to help elementary school,
 
 00:15:44.874 --> 00:15:45.933
 junior high school kids,
 
 00:15:45.974 --> 00:15:47.054
 high school kids learn
 
 00:15:47.215 --> 00:15:48.154
 about the American
 
 00:15:48.215 --> 00:15:49.154
 Revolution through
 
 00:15:49.215 --> 00:15:51.316
 performing this great play.
 
 00:15:51.937 --> 00:15:52.777
 About how long is the
 
 00:15:52.797 --> 00:15:53.756
 running time of the play?
 
 00:15:54.238 --> 00:15:56.958
 It's just under half an hour.
 
 00:15:58.139 --> 00:15:59.600
 from the rap to the very end.
 
 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:02.120
 What's great, I think,
 
 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:03.441
 about this play is that it
 
 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.442
 can be done with a small
 
 00:16:06.462 --> 00:16:08.143
 classroom of maybe 10 students.
 
 00:16:08.222 --> 00:16:10.663
 It can be expanded easily to
 
 00:16:10.663 --> 00:16:13.284
 25 plus with non-speaking parts.
 
 00:16:14.306 --> 00:16:15.986
 They could have multiple narrators.
 
 00:16:17.006 --> 00:16:19.548
 It's very versatile in that way.
 
 00:16:19.908 --> 00:16:21.389
 The songs are very easy to sing.
 
 00:16:22.048 --> 00:16:24.390
 Yeah.
 
 00:16:24.451 --> 00:16:25.432
 The two we've heard so far
 
 00:16:25.471 --> 00:16:27.513
 certainly are very catchy tunes as well.
 
 00:16:29.715 --> 00:16:30.696
 Can you tell us more about
 
 00:16:30.735 --> 00:16:32.576
 Performing Arts Inspirations, Roseanne?
 
 00:16:34.899 --> 00:16:37.179
 Okay, so Performing Arts Inspirations,
 
 00:16:37.841 --> 00:16:43.085
 when I was in Northfield, I ran theater,
 
 00:16:43.225 --> 00:16:45.285
 dance, and music classes.
 
 00:16:46.466 --> 00:16:49.929
 Since then, and the Cardboard Box Theater,
 
 00:16:50.466 --> 00:16:51.628
 was huge.
 
 00:16:51.687 --> 00:16:53.249
 That was the core of it.
 
 00:16:53.649 --> 00:16:56.350
 Now I live in Gloucester and
 
 00:16:56.370 --> 00:16:59.732
 I teach for Manchester by
 
 00:16:59.753 --> 00:17:00.874
 the sea park and rec.
 
 00:17:00.913 --> 00:17:01.934
 So after school,
 
 00:17:02.274 --> 00:17:04.757
 I run my performing arts inspirations.
 
 00:17:05.358 --> 00:17:08.359
 And I teach private lessons, I teach piano,
 
 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.401
 guitar, ukulele, voice,
 
 00:17:11.961 --> 00:17:16.622
 and I also teach theater there as well.
 
 00:17:17.961 --> 00:17:21.222
 I also have a YouTube channel,
 
 00:17:22.443 --> 00:17:27.005
 which is Musical Story Time with Ruthann.
 
 00:17:28.095 --> 00:17:30.656
 um because I go to the
 
 00:17:30.718 --> 00:17:34.141
 libraries um and I sing I
 
 00:17:34.181 --> 00:17:36.241
 perform and sing with all
 
 00:17:36.261 --> 00:17:37.202
 the little with the little
 
 00:17:37.242 --> 00:17:40.746
 kids um the um younger age
 
 00:17:40.987 --> 00:17:43.189
 children their families um
 
 00:17:43.328 --> 00:17:45.611
 and it's all my music um
 
 00:17:46.432 --> 00:17:48.252
 and so my uh youtube
 
 00:17:48.272 --> 00:17:50.115
 channel is songs that I've
 
 00:17:50.134 --> 00:17:52.356
 written for um you know uh
 
 00:17:53.628 --> 00:17:54.650
 preschool children.
 
 00:17:56.451 --> 00:17:57.913
 That's where I am right now.
 
 00:17:58.413 --> 00:17:59.594
 Yes, I'm always writing.
 
 00:17:59.673 --> 00:18:00.875
 That's good.
 
 00:18:01.675 --> 00:18:05.318
 Yeah.
 
 00:18:05.558 --> 00:18:05.818
 Deb,
 
 00:18:06.099 --> 00:18:08.682
 you spent years as a children's librarian,
 
 00:18:08.701 --> 00:18:09.982
 a school librarian.
 
 00:18:10.202 --> 00:18:12.005
 You did mention having
 
 00:18:12.045 --> 00:18:13.486
 trouble finding good things
 
 00:18:13.865 --> 00:18:16.568
 on history for this age.
 
 00:18:16.608 --> 00:18:16.848
 Robert
 
 00:18:20.875 --> 00:18:22.517
 books that got me into being an historian.
 
 00:18:23.577 --> 00:18:26.901
 And so I'm really wondering
 
 00:18:26.961 --> 00:18:28.642
 if you have thoughts about I mean,
 
 00:18:29.261 --> 00:18:30.542
 writing your own is one
 
 00:18:31.084 --> 00:18:32.505
 thing people can do,
 
 00:18:32.605 --> 00:18:34.306
 but other thoughts on how
 
 00:18:34.346 --> 00:18:35.586
 we can improve the
 
 00:18:36.407 --> 00:18:37.528
 literature for children,
 
 00:18:37.588 --> 00:18:39.890
 particularly about the about history.
 
 00:18:41.511 --> 00:18:41.771
 Well,
 
 00:18:44.246 --> 00:18:46.928
 I guess my experience just
 
 00:18:47.288 --> 00:18:48.669
 as just an ordinary,
 
 00:18:49.388 --> 00:18:51.670
 especially talented person
 
 00:18:52.371 --> 00:18:54.991
 is that the things that-
 
 00:18:55.011 --> 00:18:55.652
 Don't sell yourself short.
 
 00:18:55.692 --> 00:18:56.732
 Most of us are ordinary,
 
 00:18:56.752 --> 00:18:57.753
 non-talented people.
 
 00:18:57.773 --> 00:18:59.253
 Well, I'm not Ruthann,
 
 00:18:59.734 --> 00:19:02.756
 but I just think the opportunity to
 
 00:19:03.876 --> 00:19:06.119
 bring theater into schools.
 
 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:06.359
 You know,
 
 00:19:06.380 --> 00:19:08.262
 I don't think that there are many
 
 00:19:08.442 --> 00:19:09.763
 schools that have the
 
 00:19:10.285 --> 00:19:11.807
 capacity to be able to do theater.
 
 00:19:11.846 --> 00:19:13.950
 I know I work as a school
 
 00:19:13.970 --> 00:19:15.771
 adjustment counselor in a
 
 00:19:16.172 --> 00:19:17.394
 public high school in Greenfield,
 
 00:19:17.513 --> 00:19:18.295
 Greenfield High School.
 
 00:19:18.715 --> 00:19:21.499
 And only this past year were
 
 00:19:21.538 --> 00:19:22.180
 we able to bring
 
 00:19:23.101 --> 00:19:23.780
 theater back.
 
 00:19:23.820 --> 00:19:26.383
 So now I'm a co-director of, uh,
 
 00:19:26.502 --> 00:19:27.723
 for the theater program.
 
 00:19:28.223 --> 00:19:29.744
 And because we, for example,
 
 00:19:29.805 --> 00:19:32.246
 don't have a chorus, uh,
 
 00:19:32.266 --> 00:19:34.307
 and we have a part-time, uh,
 
 00:19:34.487 --> 00:19:36.008
 band director, there is no,
 
 00:19:36.028 --> 00:19:39.009
 no way we could ever hold a musical, um,
 
 00:19:39.609 --> 00:19:40.950
 for example, at our high school,
 
 00:19:40.990 --> 00:19:42.010
 because we just don't have
 
 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:45.292
 the staff and we're just, you know,
 
 00:19:45.593 --> 00:19:46.973
 there might, might be schools,
 
 00:19:46.993 --> 00:19:47.733
 other schools,
 
 00:19:47.773 --> 00:19:50.134
 well in wealthier communities, uh, in,
 
 00:19:50.596 --> 00:19:50.715
 uh,
 
 00:19:51.756 --> 00:19:53.317
 Central and Western, sorry,
 
 00:19:53.578 --> 00:19:55.580
 Central and Eastern Mass,
 
 00:19:55.642 --> 00:19:57.443
 but out here in Western Mass,
 
 00:19:57.604 --> 00:19:59.006
 it's a struggle.
 
 00:19:59.286 --> 00:20:01.048
 Rural schools don't have the
 
 00:20:01.088 --> 00:20:02.190
 same capacity.
 
 00:20:02.230 --> 00:20:06.035
 So I think any time there's
 
 00:20:06.055 --> 00:20:07.196
 an opportunity for young
 
 00:20:07.277 --> 00:20:09.038
 people to get involved in theater,
 
 00:20:11.021 --> 00:20:13.424
 It's easy to do,
 
 00:20:13.506 --> 00:20:14.547
 to take a book that's in
 
 00:20:14.586 --> 00:20:16.730
 public domain and craft it
 
 00:20:16.789 --> 00:20:17.490
 and make it something
 
 00:20:17.550 --> 00:20:19.192
 that's gonna be available for kids.
 
 00:20:19.252 --> 00:20:21.355
 And it is expensive to find stuff online.
 
 00:20:21.435 --> 00:20:24.319
 So it's just a shame too, because
 
 00:20:25.381 --> 00:20:28.442
 I saw the ease that these
 
 00:20:28.722 --> 00:20:30.263
 kids were able to grasp
 
 00:20:30.324 --> 00:20:31.244
 concepts that they might
 
 00:20:31.305 --> 00:20:33.365
 not have learned otherwise,
 
 00:20:34.686 --> 00:20:35.768
 memorizing songs,
 
 00:20:35.847 --> 00:20:37.888
 being comfortable in front of an audience,
 
 00:20:38.028 --> 00:20:39.849
 all those huge social skills.
 
 00:20:41.191 --> 00:20:42.932
 We weren't dealing with
 
 00:20:42.971 --> 00:20:44.272
 technology back then,
 
 00:20:44.313 --> 00:20:45.134
 Ruthann and I weren't
 
 00:20:45.173 --> 00:20:46.815
 dealing with kids with phones,
 
 00:20:46.894 --> 00:20:50.876
 but it's a very different world today.
 
 00:20:50.896 --> 00:20:52.117
 It is, yeah.
 
 00:20:54.618 --> 00:20:55.259
 I don't think that was
 
 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:55.900
 really an answer to your
 
 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.902
 question except that I love
 
 00:20:58.942 --> 00:21:00.182
 children's literature and I
 
 00:21:00.222 --> 00:21:02.064
 think that there's some
 
 00:21:02.204 --> 00:21:03.545
 incredible books out there that
 
 00:21:05.270 --> 00:21:07.972
 I'd love to get kids' hands into reading,
 
 00:21:08.192 --> 00:21:09.133
 because reading is also
 
 00:21:09.153 --> 00:21:10.054
 something that kids really
 
 00:21:10.094 --> 00:21:10.993
 don't do anymore.
 
 00:21:11.013 --> 00:21:12.055
 Right, right.
 
 00:21:12.414 --> 00:21:13.915
 A number of things.
 
 00:21:13.976 --> 00:21:15.936
 We're starting to sound like
 
 00:21:16.017 --> 00:21:16.798
 a group of old people.
 
 00:21:17.018 --> 00:21:19.720
 I know, I know.
 
 00:21:20.059 --> 00:21:23.301
 But I want, I guess, just on my part,
 
 00:21:23.321 --> 00:21:24.301
 I just would always want to
 
 00:21:24.342 --> 00:21:25.702
 promote that interest and
 
 00:21:25.722 --> 00:21:27.703
 that love in American history.
 
 00:21:27.903 --> 00:21:30.246
 And through literature, you can really...
 
 00:21:30.885 --> 00:21:32.467
 grab kids in ways that you
 
 00:21:33.307 --> 00:21:35.488
 might not just by talking
 
 00:21:35.548 --> 00:21:36.728
 about the facts of the
 
 00:21:37.067 --> 00:21:37.968
 American Revolution,
 
 00:21:38.028 --> 00:21:40.308
 like the books like Ben and
 
 00:21:40.348 --> 00:21:43.190
 Me or Mr. Revere and I, or I can think of,
 
 00:21:43.849 --> 00:21:44.651
 there's another book that I
 
 00:21:44.691 --> 00:21:45.931
 love called Rebecca's War
 
 00:21:45.971 --> 00:21:46.611
 that was set in
 
 00:21:46.631 --> 00:21:48.912
 Philadelphia by Anne Finlayson.
 
 00:21:49.172 --> 00:21:50.452
 That was a huge,
 
 00:21:50.573 --> 00:21:52.333
 important book to me that
 
 00:21:52.413 --> 00:21:53.673
 they don't necessarily need
 
 00:21:53.693 --> 00:21:54.733
 to be made into plays,
 
 00:21:54.854 --> 00:21:55.894
 but I just wish that they
 
 00:21:55.934 --> 00:21:59.935
 were read as sort of supplements to the
 
 00:22:00.336 --> 00:22:01.257
 the facts because they're
 
 00:22:01.277 --> 00:22:03.837
 all based on on on facts of
 
 00:22:03.917 --> 00:22:04.678
 course they're just much
 
 00:22:04.718 --> 00:22:07.339
 more vivid for kids so
 
 00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:10.781
 right right do you have any
 
 00:22:10.821 --> 00:22:12.563
 other ideas for um a
 
 00:22:12.603 --> 00:22:13.583
 history play I mean and
 
 00:22:13.623 --> 00:22:14.564
 you're you're still working
 
 00:22:14.604 --> 00:22:15.664
 on getting this one out
 
 00:22:15.704 --> 00:22:17.085
 there yeah well as you said
 
 00:22:17.105 --> 00:22:17.665
 there's so many other
 
 00:22:17.705 --> 00:22:19.866
 topics I i wrote one about
 
 00:22:19.906 --> 00:22:20.948
 lewis and clark which
 
 00:22:20.988 --> 00:22:23.729
 really my daughter's my I
 
 00:22:23.769 --> 00:22:26.691
 just spoke to my she's in college now uh
 
 00:22:29.092 --> 00:22:31.854
 And she said, well, I loved, oh,
 
 00:22:31.874 --> 00:22:32.574
 that dreadful tea,
 
 00:22:32.634 --> 00:22:33.513
 but I really loved the
 
 00:22:33.554 --> 00:22:35.174
 Lewis and Clark and the
 
 00:22:35.194 --> 00:22:36.635
 core discovery play that you wrote.
 
 00:22:36.655 --> 00:22:39.396
 Yeah, that was, it was not,
 
 00:22:39.436 --> 00:22:41.438
 I did not have Ruthann make
 
 00:22:41.458 --> 00:22:42.419
 that into a musical.
 
 00:22:42.459 --> 00:22:44.400
 I guess she could, but that was.
 
 00:22:44.420 --> 00:22:45.440
 I saw her eyes lighting up
 
 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:46.721
 when she heard about Lewis and Clark.
 
 00:22:48.541 --> 00:22:49.623
 By the end of the podcast,
 
 00:22:49.643 --> 00:22:51.844
 you'll have something on Sacagawea ready.
 
 00:22:52.085 --> 00:22:53.365
 Right, right.
 
 00:22:53.586 --> 00:22:53.905
 Yes.
 
 00:22:55.567 --> 00:22:57.608
 So, yes, I've written that one too.
 
 00:22:57.709 --> 00:22:58.409
 Yeah.
 
 00:23:00.611 --> 00:23:00.770
 Now,
 
 00:23:00.911 --> 00:23:02.912
 Jonathan points out that the musical
 
 00:23:02.912 --> 00:23:05.713
 1776 has probably had more of an impact.
 
 00:23:05.814 --> 00:23:07.494
 And one of our running
 
 00:23:07.536 --> 00:23:08.316
 themes is how come there
 
 00:23:08.375 --> 00:23:10.417
 aren't good movies about the revolution?
 
 00:23:10.897 --> 00:23:11.038
 Yes.
 
 00:23:11.258 --> 00:23:13.098
 And think about the impact of 1776,
 
 00:23:13.098 --> 00:23:16.162
 this play, or Hamilton,
 
 00:23:16.201 --> 00:23:16.981
 which you mentioned, which...
 
 00:23:19.381 --> 00:23:19.621
 Right.
 
 00:23:19.681 --> 00:23:19.901
 Yeah.
 
 00:23:19.980 --> 00:23:21.382
 I mean, kids know history.
 
 00:23:21.422 --> 00:23:22.021
 They know history.
 
 00:23:22.041 --> 00:23:23.561
 They might know it through Hamilton.
 
 00:23:23.662 --> 00:23:25.603
 I know that that has a huge impact.
 
 00:23:25.643 --> 00:23:25.803
 I mean,
 
 00:23:25.823 --> 00:23:27.682
 I can I know it just being with
 
 00:23:27.722 --> 00:23:30.463
 teenagers is talk about the
 
 00:23:30.503 --> 00:23:31.763
 Constitution in ways that
 
 00:23:31.784 --> 00:23:32.644
 they might not have been
 
 00:23:32.704 --> 00:23:34.265
 able to because they have
 
 00:23:34.484 --> 00:23:35.884
 listened to the lyrics of Hamilton.
 
 00:23:36.125 --> 00:23:36.546
 Right.
 
 00:23:36.786 --> 00:23:37.066
 Right.
 
 00:23:38.066 --> 00:23:38.586
 Absolutely.
 
 00:23:39.105 --> 00:23:40.026
 The Federalist Papers,
 
 00:23:40.346 --> 00:23:41.047
 they know who wrote the
 
 00:23:41.086 --> 00:23:41.787
 Federalist Papers.
 
 00:23:42.507 --> 00:23:43.188
 That's right.
 
 00:23:43.327 --> 00:23:44.949
 Trying to set the Federalist
 
 00:23:44.969 --> 00:23:45.929
 Papers to music,
 
 00:23:45.969 --> 00:23:48.810
 that would be a tough sell.
 
 00:23:49.330 --> 00:23:49.912
 But I mean,
 
 00:23:50.011 --> 00:23:51.353
 it's interesting that Hamilton
 
 00:23:51.373 --> 00:23:54.674
 really influenced me to say, oh,
 
 00:23:54.934 --> 00:23:56.895
 I think we need to be able to do a rap.
 
 00:23:57.276 --> 00:23:58.297
 Can you do a rap?
 
 00:23:58.656 --> 00:23:59.798
 She's like, I can go try.
 
 00:23:59.817 --> 00:24:02.219
 She did a great job with the rap.
 
 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.300
 Those kids did a great job with that rap.
 
 00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:05.641
 I did have a...
 
 00:24:08.782 --> 00:24:10.042
 recording of me doing the
 
 00:24:10.083 --> 00:24:16.545
 rap watching those children
 
 00:24:16.805 --> 00:24:20.185
 take that rap and, and, uh, they did, uh,
 
 00:24:20.405 --> 00:24:21.066
 it justice.
 
 00:24:21.125 --> 00:24:21.346
 They,
 
 00:24:21.486 --> 00:24:23.185
 they really brought it to life and
 
 00:24:23.205 --> 00:24:24.247
 did an excellent job.
 
 00:24:24.886 --> 00:24:26.767
 Um, yeah, so that was all,
 
 00:24:26.987 --> 00:24:29.087
 I had to have gotten all
 
 00:24:29.127 --> 00:24:31.228
 that information from dad because, um,
 
 00:24:31.748 --> 00:24:33.648
 you know, I probably, um, yeah.
 
 00:24:34.871 --> 00:24:36.872
 said, Deb, what do you want in this rap?
 
 00:24:36.912 --> 00:24:38.472
 Because that was a pretty lengthy rap,
 
 00:24:38.833 --> 00:24:40.773
 and then wrote it all off.
 
 00:24:40.854 --> 00:24:42.493
 And that's the introduction is the rap?
 
 00:24:42.855 --> 00:24:44.055
 Yeah.
 
 00:24:44.075 --> 00:24:45.655
 Yeah, they did a great job, yeah.
 
 00:24:46.036 --> 00:24:46.736
 It's a good rap.
 
 00:24:47.696 --> 00:24:49.156
 Yeah, the musical, Oh, The Gentlety,
 
 00:24:49.257 --> 00:24:51.698
 opens with the rap,
 
 00:24:51.738 --> 00:24:54.500
 where you find out the
 
 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:56.119
 whole entire story through that rap.
 
 00:24:56.180 --> 00:24:56.420
 Wow.
 
 00:24:58.181 --> 00:25:00.523
 the population in Boston
 
 00:25:00.544 --> 00:25:04.106
 were suffering under the different taxes,
 
 00:25:04.146 --> 00:25:04.407
 right?
 
 00:25:04.948 --> 00:25:06.249
 It is.
 
 00:25:06.509 --> 00:25:08.050
 Lin-Manuel Miranda said he
 
 00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.192
 did the play as a rap
 
 00:25:09.211 --> 00:25:09.932
 because he wanted to get
 
 00:25:09.992 --> 00:25:11.173
 all this information in.
 
 00:25:11.273 --> 00:25:13.517
 So that's why it's so word heavy.
 
 00:25:13.616 --> 00:25:13.997
 Yes.
 
 00:25:14.778 --> 00:25:15.117
 Yes.
 
 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:16.819
 It makes total sense.
 
 00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:17.000
 Yeah.
 
 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.181
 He's a, he's a genius.
 
 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.422
 So we were,
 
 00:25:20.682 --> 00:25:22.983
 very, I don't know, inspired by him,
 
 00:25:23.243 --> 00:25:24.065
 I think, for that rap.
 
 00:25:24.305 --> 00:25:26.065
 All those kids were rapping
 
 00:25:26.204 --> 00:25:29.586
 all of the Hamilton pieces at that time.
 
 00:25:30.807 --> 00:25:31.247
 That's great.
 
 00:25:31.366 --> 00:25:34.328
 I'm wondering, well,
 
 00:25:34.348 --> 00:25:36.028
 we do have one more song queued up,
 
 00:25:36.108 --> 00:25:37.349
 I think, Daughters of Liberty.
 
 00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:38.549
 I wonder if Jonathan can
 
 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:39.611
 play that one for us.
 
 00:25:44.647 --> 00:25:47.671
 so the british want to tax
 
 00:25:47.971 --> 00:25:49.913
 our tea then they'll meet
 
 00:25:50.032 --> 00:25:52.595
 the daughters of liberty
 
 00:25:52.694 --> 00:25:54.676
 it's the women who choose
 
 00:25:54.997 --> 00:25:57.378
 what to buy not the man in
 
 00:25:57.439 --> 00:26:00.301
 the house no not that guy
 
 00:26:02.202 --> 00:26:05.689
 We'll tell all the women where to shop.
 
 00:26:06.369 --> 00:26:09.433
 Nothing important, just mom and pops.
 
 00:26:10.214 --> 00:26:13.339
 England won't be a little cross the ocean.
 
 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.046
 Our protests will make quite a commotion.
 
 00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:22.482
 So the British want to tax our tea.
 
 00:26:22.542 --> 00:26:23.864
 Then they'll meet the
 
 00:26:23.923 --> 00:26:26.125
 Daughters of Liberty.
 
 00:26:26.226 --> 00:26:29.788
 It's the women who choose what to buy.
 
 00:26:29.848 --> 00:26:31.530
 Not the man in the house.
 
 00:26:31.631 --> 00:26:33.492
 No, not that guy.
 
 00:26:35.278 --> 00:26:37.039
 We all make our own cloth
 
 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.721
 and drink bad tea and give
 
 00:26:39.861 --> 00:26:42.001
 up sugar so the Tories will
 
 00:26:42.142 --> 00:26:43.862
 see that they never ever
 
 00:26:43.923 --> 00:26:46.103
 should have taxed our tea
 
 00:26:46.222 --> 00:26:49.505
 for we are the Daughters of Liberty.
 
 00:26:51.567 --> 00:26:55.133
 So the British want to tax our tea.
 
 00:26:55.192 --> 00:26:56.494
 Then they'll meet the
 
 00:26:56.535 --> 00:26:58.778
 daughters of liberty.
 
 00:26:58.858 --> 00:27:02.344
 It's the women who choose what to buy.
 
 00:27:02.444 --> 00:27:04.126
 Not the man in the house.
 
 00:27:04.228 --> 00:27:05.930
 No, not that guy.
 
 00:27:07.821 --> 00:27:09.984
 Don't underestimate the
 
 00:27:10.045 --> 00:27:11.546
 power of the purse.
 
 00:27:11.807 --> 00:27:13.489
 Boycotting British goods for
 
 00:27:13.528 --> 00:27:14.750
 them will be a curse.
 
 00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:16.932
 They'll wish they never
 
 00:27:17.032 --> 00:27:18.634
 taxed us in the first.
 
 00:27:19.174 --> 00:27:21.758
 Cheers to liberty.
 
 00:27:22.479 --> 00:27:23.099
 Bah!
 
 00:27:23.901 --> 00:27:25.462
 Oh, that is dreadful tea.
 
 00:27:31.344 --> 00:27:31.943
 That was not,
 
 00:27:32.003 --> 00:27:33.766
 I think that was not in Mr. Revere and I,
 
 00:27:33.846 --> 00:27:34.326
 I added,
 
 00:27:34.967 --> 00:27:36.008
 I wanted to make sure that there
 
 00:27:36.048 --> 00:27:37.888
 was a scene with, with the women.
 
 00:27:38.369 --> 00:27:39.390
 Right.
 
 00:27:40.351 --> 00:27:41.771
 That's one of the things that, you know,
 
 00:27:41.872 --> 00:27:42.853
 in the years since Robert
 
 00:27:42.893 --> 00:27:43.713
 Lawson wrote that, I mean,
 
 00:27:43.753 --> 00:27:44.795
 we have learned a lot more
 
 00:27:44.815 --> 00:27:46.195
 about the social complexion
 
 00:27:46.215 --> 00:27:47.497
 of Boston and so on.
 
 00:27:47.557 --> 00:27:48.837
 And, but still, I mean,
 
 00:27:49.078 --> 00:27:51.401
 the books are still very vivid and, um,
 
 00:27:52.141 --> 00:27:52.801
 captivating.
 
 00:27:53.561 --> 00:27:54.242
 So, um,
 
 00:27:55.443 --> 00:27:55.864
 Ruthann,
 
 00:27:56.105 --> 00:27:57.086
 it looked like you were pulling
 
 00:27:57.145 --> 00:27:58.646
 out something you wanted to show us.
 
 00:27:58.666 --> 00:28:01.108
 Oh, I was thinking about that wrap,
 
 00:28:01.249 --> 00:28:03.090
 and I have the wrap here.
 
 00:28:04.954 --> 00:28:05.836
 if you want to read it
 
 00:28:06.036 --> 00:28:07.116
 instead of performing it
 
 00:28:07.156 --> 00:28:09.397
 that would be good um oh
 
 00:28:09.438 --> 00:28:11.138
 well okay let's see I mean
 
 00:28:11.159 --> 00:28:12.299
 the kids did such a good
 
 00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:14.281
 job all right so here
 
 00:28:14.402 --> 00:28:15.643
 here's the rap but it's
 
 00:28:15.702 --> 00:28:18.064
 long I mean okay I can do
 
 00:28:18.084 --> 00:28:20.526
 part of it yeah all right
 
 00:28:20.546 --> 00:28:21.987
 so it says friends
 
 00:28:22.386 --> 00:28:24.368
 countrymen hear the news
 
 00:28:24.729 --> 00:28:26.029
 come to a meeting to
 
 00:28:26.069 --> 00:28:27.790
 discuss more dues from the
 
 00:28:27.851 --> 00:28:29.992
 british parliament and the
 
 00:28:30.073 --> 00:28:32.094
 king at old south meeting
 
 00:28:32.134 --> 00:28:33.414
 house monday morning
 
 00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:36.141
 Then you have to have some beats in there.
 
 00:28:37.241 --> 00:28:39.544
 Sugar Act, Stamp Act, Townsend Act,
 
 00:28:39.663 --> 00:28:41.905
 T. King George won't stop.
 
 00:28:41.965 --> 00:28:43.287
 No, he won't, you'll see.
 
 00:28:43.346 --> 00:28:45.127
 He taxed our sugar, our coffee,
 
 00:28:45.469 --> 00:28:46.449
 and our indigo,
 
 00:28:46.509 --> 00:28:48.611
 so we stopped buying British goods.
 
 00:28:49.031 --> 00:28:49.531
 Whoa!
 
 00:28:51.232 --> 00:28:53.093
 But then he taxed stamps,
 
 00:28:53.473 --> 00:28:55.354
 newspaper pamphlets too.
 
 00:28:55.453 --> 00:28:56.614
 He didn't stop there.
 
 00:28:56.653 --> 00:28:58.213
 So what did Parliament do?
 
 00:28:58.314 --> 00:29:00.734
 Tax lead, glass, paper, paint,
 
 00:29:00.795 --> 00:29:01.634
 and my teeth.
 
 00:29:01.694 --> 00:29:04.496
 There's no end to taxing our colonies.
 
 00:29:05.355 --> 00:29:08.276
 It's not fair the colonists have no say.
 
 00:29:08.696 --> 00:29:10.376
 No voice in Parliament means
 
 00:29:10.416 --> 00:29:11.317
 we shouldn't pay.
 
 00:29:11.856 --> 00:29:14.377
 Don't they hear us over here?
 
 00:29:14.478 --> 00:29:15.678
 Well, listen up.
 
 00:29:16.269 --> 00:29:18.111
 loud and clear there's no
 
 00:29:18.211 --> 00:29:19.330
 taxation without
 
 00:29:19.371 --> 00:29:21.772
 representation no taxation
 
 00:29:21.792 --> 00:29:23.575
 without representation do
 
 00:29:23.634 --> 00:29:26.436
 we receive an invitation no
 
 00:29:26.537 --> 00:29:29.098
 sir there's no taxation
 
 00:29:29.138 --> 00:29:30.759
 without representation and
 
 00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:33.402
 then it goes on and on so
 
 00:29:33.422 --> 00:29:35.324
 good it just occurred to me
 
 00:29:35.364 --> 00:29:36.464
 how taxation without
 
 00:29:36.525 --> 00:29:37.806
 representation is really
 
 00:29:37.826 --> 00:29:39.166
 very much a rap line that's
 
 00:29:39.386 --> 00:29:42.009
 uh yes yeah that internal
 
 00:29:42.068 --> 00:29:43.490
 rhyme it's a very
 
 00:29:44.954 --> 00:29:45.535
 Yeah,
 
 00:29:46.576 --> 00:29:48.577
 the next line is is actually should
 
 00:29:48.597 --> 00:29:49.897
 have read this one because this is funny.
 
 00:29:49.938 --> 00:29:50.838
 It's the loyalists.
 
 00:29:51.419 --> 00:29:51.839
 Oh, yeah.
 
 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:52.319
 Yeah.
 
 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:53.480
 Yeah.
 
 00:29:54.260 --> 00:29:56.222
 It's so they sauntered in on
 
 00:29:56.282 --> 00:29:57.303
 stage and they say,
 
 00:29:57.804 --> 00:29:59.605
 if King George says so,
 
 00:29:59.625 --> 00:30:00.925
 then that's what we do.
 
 00:30:01.026 --> 00:30:02.586
 He doesn't have to listen to
 
 00:30:02.626 --> 00:30:03.827
 the likes of you.
 
 00:30:04.268 --> 00:30:05.288
 He's our king.
 
 00:30:05.388 --> 00:30:07.490
 He makes the rules, not you.
 
 00:30:07.509 --> 00:30:09.632
 You liberty fools.
 
 00:30:13.965 --> 00:30:15.405
 who makes the rules, who governs.
 
 00:30:15.425 --> 00:30:16.467
 We were talking with Deb
 
 00:30:16.507 --> 00:30:19.106
 Poetie and Ruth Ann Paulson,
 
 00:30:19.866 --> 00:30:22.768
 and they have collaborated on a play, Oh,
 
 00:30:22.807 --> 00:30:23.667
 That Dreadful Tea,
 
 00:30:23.728 --> 00:30:24.887
 which is really meant for
 
 00:30:24.988 --> 00:30:26.028
 kids to perform.
 
 00:30:26.127 --> 00:30:27.088
 It's a musical,
 
 00:30:27.429 --> 00:30:28.528
 which tells the story of
 
 00:30:28.548 --> 00:30:29.769
 the Boston Tea Party,
 
 00:30:29.888 --> 00:30:30.888
 a lot of it derived from
 
 00:30:30.949 --> 00:30:32.529
 Robert Lawson's wonderful book,
 
 00:30:32.589 --> 00:30:34.890
 Mr. Revere and I, or parts of it.
 
 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:38.230
 So it's Paul Revere figures in your play.
 
 00:30:39.130 --> 00:30:39.970
 Yeah, yeah.
 
 00:30:40.009 --> 00:30:42.310
 So I, in addition to Mr. Revere and I,
 
 00:30:42.330 --> 00:30:43.892
 I went back to look at some
 
 00:30:43.912 --> 00:30:44.692
 of the transcripts.
 
 00:30:44.971 --> 00:30:48.213
 I use my primary sources and
 
 00:30:48.614 --> 00:30:49.993
 there's a speech that I
 
 00:30:50.134 --> 00:30:51.835
 literally took from what
 
 00:30:51.875 --> 00:30:54.756
 was supposedly said by actually.
 
 00:30:56.798 --> 00:30:59.538
 Sam Adams was considered the coveted role.
 
 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.560
 And so Sam gives that big speech.
 
 00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:07.323
 And then he says, you know, what happened?
 
 00:31:07.343 --> 00:31:09.824
 Well, as you know, Bob, you know,
 
 00:31:10.704 --> 00:31:11.944
 there was no real signal
 
 00:31:12.065 --> 00:31:14.365
 except that he was just like, okay,
 
 00:31:14.646 --> 00:31:16.366
 you guys do what you're going to do.
 
 00:31:16.386 --> 00:31:19.048
 And yeah,
 
 00:31:19.068 --> 00:31:20.809
 I just thought that was so
 
 00:31:21.029 --> 00:31:23.490
 remarkable that everyone
 
 00:31:23.671 --> 00:31:25.951
 knew what the plan was going to be, but
 
 00:31:26.743 --> 00:31:32.585
 It was sort of this unspoken message that,
 
 00:31:32.664 --> 00:31:34.246
 okay, this is what we have.
 
 00:31:34.286 --> 00:31:35.685
 This is the point we've reached.
 
 00:31:36.526 --> 00:31:40.967
 And parts of just the Boston
 
 00:31:41.007 --> 00:31:42.386
 Tea Party that I think just
 
 00:31:43.227 --> 00:31:45.548
 resonated for kids too is
 
 00:31:45.627 --> 00:31:48.868
 just the idea that, yeah, yes,
 
 00:31:49.169 --> 00:31:51.308
 women were not part of that,
 
 00:31:51.348 --> 00:31:52.970
 but everybody played a role.
 
 00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:55.029
 And the events of that night,
 
 00:31:55.608 --> 00:31:57.250
 We're really open to anyone
 
 00:31:57.269 --> 00:31:58.750
 who happened to be out and
 
 00:31:58.790 --> 00:32:02.713
 about going down to the
 
 00:32:02.753 --> 00:32:04.994
 wharf and participating and
 
 00:32:05.674 --> 00:32:08.596
 having it done in a way that, yes,
 
 00:32:08.636 --> 00:32:09.617
 they destroyed the tea,
 
 00:32:09.678 --> 00:32:11.239
 but nothing else was destroyed.
 
 00:32:11.318 --> 00:32:14.401
 And things were managed in a
 
 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.262
 way that sent a clear signal,
 
 00:32:17.603 --> 00:32:19.084
 but it wasn't violent.
 
 00:32:19.624 --> 00:32:20.505
 People weren't hurt.
 
 00:32:22.481 --> 00:32:23.142
 So, I don't know.
 
 00:32:23.362 --> 00:32:24.682
 There's just something that
 
 00:32:25.064 --> 00:32:25.864
 I think students,
 
 00:32:26.585 --> 00:32:29.006
 when they feel things are unjust,
 
 00:32:29.586 --> 00:32:31.127
 finding ways to be able to
 
 00:32:31.367 --> 00:32:33.749
 make a point without being harmful.
 
 00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:34.190
 Yeah,
 
 00:32:34.210 --> 00:32:37.652
 I think that students found the story
 
 00:32:37.751 --> 00:32:40.314
 or the history, I think, inspiring.
 
 00:32:40.554 --> 00:32:40.733
 Yeah.
 
 00:32:42.461 --> 00:32:44.643
 really is um now if let's
 
 00:32:44.663 --> 00:32:45.564
 suppose a teacher is
 
 00:32:45.604 --> 00:32:46.925
 listening and says boy
 
 00:32:46.965 --> 00:32:47.645
 that's something I would
 
 00:32:47.665 --> 00:32:49.147
 like to have my class do
 
 00:32:49.228 --> 00:32:50.449
 what would be their way of
 
 00:32:50.689 --> 00:32:51.549
 getting in touch with you
 
 00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:54.894
 or yeah I i I think so I i
 
 00:32:56.055 --> 00:32:57.576
 I think our hope always has
 
 00:32:57.655 --> 00:32:59.157
 been that's that you know
 
 00:32:59.218 --> 00:33:00.679
 yes we can create a website
 
 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:01.720
 and we could put it on
 
 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:03.102
 there and maybe that's what
 
 00:33:03.142 --> 00:33:04.943
 we'll end up doing I think
 
 00:33:04.983 --> 00:33:06.144
 ruthanne and I have to
 
 00:33:06.727 --> 00:33:07.827
 sort of talk about that,
 
 00:33:07.847 --> 00:33:08.868
 but I think we wanted very
 
 00:33:08.909 --> 00:33:10.529
 much for it to be sort of
 
 00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:12.892
 packaged so that they could
 
 00:33:12.951 --> 00:33:14.673
 get some printed materials
 
 00:33:15.334 --> 00:33:17.715
 because everything, I don't know,
 
 00:33:17.855 --> 00:33:18.957
 I just feel like it would
 
 00:33:18.997 --> 00:33:20.518
 compliment whatever we,
 
 00:33:20.657 --> 00:33:22.859
 they find online and for students,
 
 00:33:23.564 --> 00:33:23.923
 you know, they,
 
 00:33:24.644 --> 00:33:25.545
 I think they need to see
 
 00:33:25.585 --> 00:33:26.464
 and hold a script.
 
 00:33:26.484 --> 00:33:27.846
 I mean, that's what we worked with.
 
 00:33:27.925 --> 00:33:29.286
 So there's that piece of it.
 
 00:33:30.185 --> 00:33:31.307
 But yes, I think that,
 
 00:33:31.787 --> 00:33:33.988
 I think what we want to make sure that we,
 
 00:33:34.028 --> 00:33:35.147
 of course, because we wrote it,
 
 00:33:35.188 --> 00:33:36.368
 we have the copyright on it.
 
 00:33:36.648 --> 00:33:37.568
 I think we would just want
 
 00:33:37.608 --> 00:33:39.509
 it to be done with when you
 
 00:33:39.529 --> 00:33:40.309
 purchase something,
 
 00:33:40.609 --> 00:33:42.050
 you have all these rules, right?
 
 00:33:42.931 --> 00:33:44.550
 When you get the license for anything.
 
 00:33:44.611 --> 00:33:45.731
 So I think that's the piece
 
 00:33:45.771 --> 00:33:46.912
 of it that worries us is
 
 00:33:46.951 --> 00:33:48.472
 that we wouldn't want it to be
 
 00:33:49.252 --> 00:33:51.977
 altered or changed in any
 
 00:33:52.017 --> 00:33:53.538
 way because it is ours.
 
 00:33:56.277 --> 00:33:59.078
 But I would like to be able
 
 00:33:59.118 --> 00:34:00.420
 to have it sort of
 
 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.201
 sponsored by somebody so
 
 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.402
 that it can be packaged the
 
 00:34:03.422 --> 00:34:05.202
 way that people can access it,
 
 00:34:05.903 --> 00:34:09.666
 but not at a huge price or
 
 00:34:09.726 --> 00:34:11.286
 no price at all, really, frankly.
 
 00:34:11.467 --> 00:34:12.307
 So that's sort of, I think,
 
 00:34:12.347 --> 00:34:13.168
 what we're looking for.
 
 00:34:13.188 --> 00:34:16.030
 A stamp of approval from
 
 00:34:16.230 --> 00:34:17.831
 somebody so that it can be
 
 00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:19.251
 put out there in the world.
 
 00:34:19.733 --> 00:34:20.333
 Right, right.
 
 00:34:21.291 --> 00:34:22.371
 I'm reminded that the
 
 00:34:22.612 --> 00:34:23.972
 National Council of Social
 
 00:34:24.032 --> 00:34:24.934
 Studies is having its
 
 00:34:25.014 --> 00:34:26.173
 annual meeting actually in
 
 00:34:26.235 --> 00:34:27.675
 Boston this November,
 
 00:34:27.775 --> 00:34:30.077
 and that might be a good opportunity to,
 
 00:34:30.838 --> 00:34:32.458
 there'll be 5,000 history
 
 00:34:32.518 --> 00:34:34.400
 social studies teachers coming to Boston.
 
 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.623
 And I'm thinking of two things.
 
 00:34:38.762 --> 00:34:39.702
 One, how do we get it out there?
 
 00:34:39.722 --> 00:34:40.244
 And then B,
 
 00:34:40.324 --> 00:34:41.605
 how to make sure that someone
 
 00:34:41.644 --> 00:34:43.125
 doesn't get it and change it.
 
 00:34:44.525 --> 00:34:46.067
 So, yeah.
 
 00:34:46.728 --> 00:34:46.887
 Good.
 
 00:34:48.288 --> 00:34:51.333
 So I know I'd love to hear another song,
 
 00:34:51.373 --> 00:34:52.994
 but I know you both have,
 
 00:34:54.097 --> 00:34:54.878
 we don't want to give the
 
 00:34:54.898 --> 00:34:55.458
 whole thing away.
 
 00:34:55.498 --> 00:34:56.420
 We want people to hear it.
 
 00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:57.342
 Is there more we should talk
 
 00:34:57.402 --> 00:34:58.543
 about with this before we
 
 00:34:58.583 --> 00:34:59.905
 let you go and go back to
 
 00:35:00.367 --> 00:35:01.327
 writing your next musical?
 
 00:35:02.869 --> 00:35:03.849
 I just I want to thank you
 
 00:35:03.869 --> 00:35:06.110
 Bob for I felt kind of like
 
 00:35:06.550 --> 00:35:07.652
 nobody has heard about this
 
 00:35:07.871 --> 00:35:08.811
 and I know that they're
 
 00:35:08.831 --> 00:35:10.432
 celebrating the anniversary
 
 00:35:11.152 --> 00:35:12.074
 certainly anniversary of
 
 00:35:12.114 --> 00:35:13.673
 the Boston Tea Party and I
 
 00:35:13.713 --> 00:35:15.014
 saw your name and I was
 
 00:35:15.054 --> 00:35:16.815
 like oh I gotta email that
 
 00:35:16.876 --> 00:35:19.056
 man and and when I finally
 
 00:35:19.097 --> 00:35:20.556
 got around to doing it I
 
 00:35:20.597 --> 00:35:22.117
 just was so delighted about
 
 00:35:22.137 --> 00:35:23.378
 your positive response so
 
 00:35:23.778 --> 00:35:24.759
 it made it made my whole
 
 00:35:24.778 --> 00:35:25.980
 day so thank you so much
 
 00:35:26.478 --> 00:35:27.440
 Well, it's a great project.
 
 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.661
 I really give you both great credit,
 
 00:35:29.702 --> 00:35:31.844
 Ruth Ann Paulson and Deb Poti,
 
 00:35:31.923 --> 00:35:33.346
 who have collaborated on Oh,
 
 00:35:33.385 --> 00:35:34.326
 That Dreadful Tea,
 
 00:35:34.346 --> 00:35:36.327
 a musical about the Boston Tea Party,
 
 00:35:36.367 --> 00:35:40.592
 really aimed at kids to perform,
 
 00:35:40.692 --> 00:35:41.373
 to produce,
 
 00:35:41.452 --> 00:35:43.215
 and to learn more about the revolution.
 
 00:35:43.255 --> 00:35:44.856
 And I think they will
 
 00:35:44.896 --> 00:35:46.157
 remember it more than if
 
 00:35:46.217 --> 00:35:48.260
 they hear me lecture or if they,
 
 00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:48.579
 you know,
 
 00:35:50.231 --> 00:35:52.311
 And thinking about using it along with,
 
 00:35:52.331 --> 00:35:52.512
 say,
 
 00:35:52.532 --> 00:35:54.652
 Robert Lawson's Mr. Revere and I
 
 00:35:54.692 --> 00:35:55.831
 would be a great thing.
 
 00:35:55.931 --> 00:35:58.052
 So you've done a lot to
 
 00:35:58.112 --> 00:36:00.092
 address a lot of the things
 
 00:36:00.112 --> 00:36:01.612
 we browse about with the
 
 00:36:01.672 --> 00:36:03.333
 education that kids need to
 
 00:36:03.373 --> 00:36:04.474
 do more theater and need to
 
 00:36:04.534 --> 00:36:05.534
 do more singing and also
 
 00:36:05.574 --> 00:36:06.693
 need to learn more history.
 
 00:36:06.733 --> 00:36:09.233
 So thank you for pushing this along.
 
 00:36:09.514 --> 00:36:10.554
 And Ruthann,
 
 00:36:10.594 --> 00:36:11.295
 I'm sorry I'm not in
 
 00:36:11.315 --> 00:36:14.434
 Gloucester to go hear you at the library.
 
 00:36:14.775 --> 00:36:15.315
 Oh, yes.
 
 00:36:15.534 --> 00:36:17.376
 That would be fun.
 
 00:36:17.976 --> 00:36:18.775
 Give you a maraca.
 
 00:36:24.161 --> 00:36:24.501
 And, you know,
 
 00:36:24.521 --> 00:36:25.541
 we do actually have a pretty
 
 00:36:25.922 --> 00:36:27.023
 good listenership,
 
 00:36:27.063 --> 00:36:28.742
 both in Massachusetts and beyond.
 
 00:36:28.782 --> 00:36:29.702
 And every week I thank
 
 00:36:29.784 --> 00:36:31.623
 people who are listening regularly.
 
 00:36:31.643 --> 00:36:32.684
 And if you're in one of
 
 00:36:32.724 --> 00:36:33.945
 these places and want to
 
 00:36:33.985 --> 00:36:34.945
 get in touch with us,
 
 00:36:35.844 --> 00:36:37.244
 send Jonathan Lane an email,
 
 00:36:37.284 --> 00:36:39.666
 jlane at revolution250.org.
 
 00:36:39.686 --> 00:36:40.545
 And they'll send you some of
 
 00:36:40.606 --> 00:36:43.367
 our Rev 250 swag, playing cards,
 
 00:36:43.487 --> 00:36:46.347
 refrigerator magnets, other things.
 
 00:36:46.907 --> 00:36:47.608
 And so this week,
 
 00:36:47.708 --> 00:36:50.409
 if you folks in Boston and in Long Beach,
 
 00:36:50.449 --> 00:36:51.088
 California,
 
 00:36:51.626 --> 00:36:53.827
 Omaha, Nebraska, and Lafayette, Indiana,
 
 00:36:53.847 --> 00:36:57.889
 and Lagos, Nigeria, and Rio de Janeiro,
 
 00:36:57.969 --> 00:36:59.610
 and all places between and beyond.
 
 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:00.530
 Thanks for joining us.
 
 00:37:00.590 --> 00:37:02.311
 And now we will be piped out
 
 00:37:02.351 --> 00:37:03.771
 our final musical selection,
 
 00:37:03.791 --> 00:37:04.711
 On the Road to Boston.