Revolution 250 Podcast

Brooks Lyles & the Sons of the American Revolution

August 06, 2024 Brooks Lyles Season 5 Episode 32

Since 1889 the Sons of the American Revolution have been working to preserve the memories of those who fought and supported the American Revolution.  While the national headquarters is in Louisville, Kentucky, there are over 550 chapters world-wide, dedicated to commemorating the service and sacrifice of the men and women who fought to establish an independent United States of America.  Join Revolution 250 Executive Director in conversation with T. Brooks Lyles, current Registrar General and former Historian General of the SAR on the work of the Sons of the American Revolution and their plans for a new museum and educational center at the national headquarters.

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 Morning, everyone,
 
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 and welcome to the
 
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 Revolution 250 podcast.
 
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 I'm Jonathan Lane.
 
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 I am the executive director
 
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 of Revolution 250.
 
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 Revolution 250 is a
 
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 consortium of organizations
 
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 working on the 250th
 
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 anniversary of the American
 
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 Revolution here in Massachusetts.
 
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 And normally, of course,
 
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 you'd have the eminent Bob
 
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 Allison in your hosting chair today, but
 
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 technological opportunities
 
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 have given me the chair today.
 
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 And actually,
 
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 I'm really excited to talk
 
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 with Brooks Lyle,
 
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 who is the Registrar
 
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 General of the Sons of the
 
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 American Revolution,
 
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 an organization which, just to be open,
 
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 of which I am a member.
 
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 But Brooks also spent
 
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 several years as the Historian General
 
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 for the Sons of the American Revolution.
 
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 And this is a good
 
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 opportunity to remind
 
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 ourselves of the great work
 
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 that has been done by
 
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 heritage societies and the
 
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 role they're going to play in the coming,
 
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 and actually we're already
 
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 in the middle of the semi-quincentennial.
 
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 So Brooks,
 
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 thanks for joining us today on
 
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 the Revolution 250 podcast.
 
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 Thank you, Jonathan.
 
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 I am very,
 
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 very happy to be here with you today.
 
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 And
 
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 I have enjoyed getting to
 
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 know you over the last
 
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 couple of years with the
 
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 America's Founding Era
 
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 Forum or the Education
 
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 Forum and was happy to be
 
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 there when you were
 
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 inducted into the SAR back
 
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 at the Boston Tea Party in December.
 
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 yeah I want to get to the
 
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 education forum in a minute
 
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 because I i do think that
 
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 is a really important piece
 
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 of work that the sons of
 
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 the american revolution and
 
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 other organizations are
 
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 working on together but
 
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 let's start with a little
 
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 bit of background
 
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 information on on the sar
 
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 uh how their founding came
 
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 about and what their
 
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 purpose is all right um
 
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 Yeah,
 
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 the National Society Sons of the
 
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 American Revolution was founded in 1889,
 
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 and our headquarters is in Louisville,
 
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 Kentucky.
 
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 The SAR is one of the
 
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 largest male lineage-based
 
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 organizations in the world,
 
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 and one with what we feel
 
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 is a very important mission,
 
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 and that is preserving
 
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 nonpartisan patriotism,
 
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 providing services to our communities,
 
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 and preserving America's
 
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 history by educating and
 
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 inspiring future generations.
 
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 So that is sort of the broad picture.
 
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 How do we do this?
 
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 Well,
 
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 we have one of the nation's premier
 
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 genealogical libraries
 
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 located right there at our
 
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 headquarters in Louisville.
 
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 We're in the process of
 
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 construction on a museum.
 
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 I believe when you were
 
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 there back in March,
 
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 you got a tour of the facility.
 
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 You wouldn't recognize it
 
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 now as the walls are up and we are...
 
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 We're well into phase one of
 
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 the construction.
 
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 The National Society was
 
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 actually chartered by an
 
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 act of Congress on June 9th in 1906.
 
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 And that charter was signed
 
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 by President Theodore Roosevelt.
 
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 Roosevelt was a member as
 
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 his cousin Franklin were
 
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 members of the Empire State
 
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 Society of the SAR.
 
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 And the charter authorized
 
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 the granting of charters to
 
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 societies in various states
 
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 and territories
 
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 and authorize the state
 
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 level societies to charter chapters.
 
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 So that's basically how we're constructed.
 
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 Our conduit to the local
 
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 community is the chapter.
 
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 Chapters work under the
 
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 directive of a state
 
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 society and the state
 
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 societies work within the national.
 
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 So we have somewhere around
 
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 584 chapters nationally.
 
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 We have 57 state level societies.
 
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 including several international.
 
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 We have an English, a French, Canadian,
 
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 and Spanish societies.
 
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 I can go on a little bit on this.
 
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 No, no.
 
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 I mean, so let me ask you this.
 
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 Why do people join?
 
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 I mean, for me,
 
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 I can say a little bit
 
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 about my own personal journey, which is,
 
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 yeah,
 
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 I always knew this heritage was there.
 
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 And as I came to work on the 250th,
 
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 I realized more and more the
 
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 obligation my generation
 
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 owes to those who served
 
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 and sacrificed so much so
 
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 that we could have an
 
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 independent United States.
 
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 And it is very much for me a
 
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 sense of obligation that
 
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 inspired me to become a
 
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 member of the SAR.
 
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 And similarly,
 
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 with the Society of the Cincinnati,
 
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 I really do think there is
 
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 a duty to recognize
 
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 that generation that brought
 
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 about independence.
 
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 Well, I couldn't agree with you more.
 
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 And I think the,
 
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 the process of honoring our
 
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 Patriot ancestors is what
 
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 the SAR is all about.
 
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 And we honor them through
 
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 different programs and in different ways,
 
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 you know,
 
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 membership is membership is
 
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 different things to different people.
 
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 We have,
 
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 We have people who join the
 
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 organization simply because
 
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 they wanna have the certificate.
 
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 They would like to be able
 
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 to put up on their wall or
 
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 somewhere in their study a
 
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 certificate that says I'm
 
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 descended from a hero or a
 
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 patriot of the American Revolution.
 
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 We have others who look at
 
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 it as you and I do as being
 
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 more of a calling at an
 
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 opportunity to reach out
 
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 into our communities and
 
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 into the schools and to
 
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 perpetuate that memory
 
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 And the principles of the
 
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 founding of the nation.
 
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 I think it's an obligation
 
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 of citizenship to know
 
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 where we came from.
 
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 And you can't know the
 
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 future unless you know
 
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 where you've been and how
 
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 you got where you are as a nation.
 
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 And I think that's something
 
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 we're losing touch with.
 
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 You know,
 
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 one of the things Revolution 250
 
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 has worked on pretty much
 
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 since our founding is the
 
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 idea of giving people a
 
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 broader understanding of
 
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 the society that built the United States.
 
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 you know looking at
 
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 particularly previously
 
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 underrepresented voices so
 
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 people of color both freed
 
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 and enslaved indigenous
 
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 people women children I
 
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 know you've done some work
 
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 on women in the revolution
 
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 as well I saw a youtube
 
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 video you did on on road
 
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 watchers which I think is
 
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 really interesting so how
 
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 is the society looking at
 
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 this opportunity to to show
 
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 a broader perspective on on the
 
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 service of those who 250 years ago?
 
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 Well, the, um,
 
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 the nation was not fine
 
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 founded by just George
 
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 Washington and the continental army.
 
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 John Adams would have you believe that.
 
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 And, uh, there's some, some jealous.
 
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 He's and Thomas Jefferson
 
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 also had his own issues with, uh,
 
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 with George and the, and the, uh,
 
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 cult of personality that
 
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 kind of grew around our first president.
 
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 But, um,
 
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 You know,
 
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 the British subjects that made up
 
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 the American colonies were
 
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 for the most part, you know,
 
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 very loyal British subjects.
 
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 They loved their king and
 
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 they didn't have a big desire to leave.
 
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 But the situation that we all know,
 
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 you know,
 
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 occurred and how we started to
 
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 self-identify as Americans versus British,
 
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 North American British subjects,
 
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 but then we became Americans.
 
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 Um,
 
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 that was not just the former British
 
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 colonies, uh, colonists.
 
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 There were Dutch, there were German,
 
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 there were Irish.
 
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 We had a lot of immigrants.
 
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 There was the, uh, slave population,
 
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 the indentured servants.
 
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 Uh, we, you know, we had native Americans,
 
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 uh, many of which, uh, fought
 
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 with the colonies,
 
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 many of which fought with
 
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 England against the
 
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 colonies and against the
 
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 expansion of westward
 
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 expansion of the original 13 states.
 
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 We recognize all that contributed.
 
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 So it's not just uniformed
 
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 continental soldiers,
 
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 but local militiamen,
 
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 government officials,
 
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 people who served as you're
 
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 talking about one of my
 
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 ancestors was a woman
 
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 that basically got paid to
 
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 sit on her front porch and
 
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 report on what her neighbors were doing.
 
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 We called it sort of an
 
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 early neighborhood watch.
 
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 But she reported on who was
 
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 going up the street and who
 
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 was going down the street
 
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 and what they had in their
 
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 wagons or horses.
 
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 Which she was probably doing anyway,
 
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 but it was probably nice to
 
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 get the money.
 
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 Yeah,
 
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 so she worked and reported to the
 
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 local committee of safety.
 
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 And they collected and
 
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 compiled intelligence
 
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 reports about what was
 
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 going on and sent that up to the state.
 
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 So the sort of network of
 
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 watchers were out there.
 
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 But if you, you know,
 
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 one of our new members of
 
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 the SAR is Rob Lowe.
 
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 And if you ever watch the
 
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 Who Do You Think You Are?
 
 00:09:58.794 --> 00:10:00.735
 I think it was one of those
 
 00:10:00.816 --> 00:10:02.076
 episodes where Rob Lowe's
 
 00:10:02.196 --> 00:10:03.397
 genealogy was researched.
 
 00:10:04.157 --> 00:10:05.298
 And Rob was raised,
 
 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:06.880
 with the impression that he
 
 00:10:06.921 --> 00:10:07.900
 was descended from a
 
 00:10:09.101 --> 00:10:10.241
 patriot who fought in the war.
 
 00:10:11.202 --> 00:10:12.663
 The reality was Rob Lowe was
 
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 descended from a Hessian.
 
 00:10:15.605 --> 00:10:17.144
 And that Hessian was
 
 00:10:17.205 --> 00:10:18.346
 captured early in the war,
 
 00:10:18.666 --> 00:10:20.947
 was sent to a farm.
 
 00:10:21.986 --> 00:10:23.347
 As he was working on the farm,
 
 00:10:23.408 --> 00:10:25.808
 he eventually developed a
 
 00:10:25.828 --> 00:10:27.409
 relationship with the farmer's daughter.
 
 00:10:27.450 --> 00:10:29.591
 He got married and stayed in the States.
 
 00:10:29.931 --> 00:10:31.552
 And as a farmer,
 
 00:10:31.631 --> 00:10:33.513
 he was providing supplies to the
 
 00:10:34.962 --> 00:10:36.703
 colonist to the Army.
 
 00:10:37.845 --> 00:10:40.006
 And under that contribution,
 
 00:10:40.086 --> 00:10:41.868
 he became a member of the SAR.
 
 00:10:43.009 --> 00:10:43.830
 That's remarkable.
 
 00:10:44.890 --> 00:10:46.471
 Yeah, you don't have to just be a soldier.
 
 00:10:46.491 --> 00:10:49.534
 You can be somebody who
 
 00:10:49.595 --> 00:10:51.895
 served in any of a variety
 
 00:10:51.956 --> 00:10:54.938
 of different positions and posts.
 
 00:10:55.484 --> 00:10:55.663
 Well,
 
 00:10:55.683 --> 00:10:57.144
 and there's so many stories like that.
 
 00:10:57.445 --> 00:10:58.546
 There was a story a couple
 
 00:10:58.566 --> 00:11:01.908
 of years ago that the DAR
 
 00:11:01.947 --> 00:11:04.168
 were granting admittance to
 
 00:11:05.249 --> 00:11:07.850
 descendants of a Spanish
 
 00:11:09.285 --> 00:11:10.927
 uh garrison out in
 
 00:11:11.006 --> 00:11:12.947
 california who had
 
 00:11:13.028 --> 00:11:14.389
 contributed money to
 
 00:11:14.448 --> 00:11:15.669
 support the continental
 
 00:11:15.730 --> 00:11:16.669
 congress and you know they
 
 00:11:16.710 --> 00:11:18.071
 had this whole muster role
 
 00:11:18.671 --> 00:11:21.033
 of all these these men in
 
 00:11:21.072 --> 00:11:24.413
 the pueblo or or or um you
 
 00:11:24.453 --> 00:11:25.794
 know the wherever they were
 
 00:11:26.115 --> 00:11:27.755
 and uh the essentially
 
 00:11:27.796 --> 00:11:29.297
 assigning a certain portion
 
 00:11:29.336 --> 00:11:30.778
 of their their pay
 
 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:33.441
 to be sent on to just
 
 00:11:33.581 --> 00:11:35.341
 remarkable stories like that.
 
 00:11:35.422 --> 00:11:36.543
 And as you point out,
 
 00:11:36.602 --> 00:11:38.464
 the indigenous peoples,
 
 00:11:39.085 --> 00:11:40.445
 so many great stories of
 
 00:11:40.485 --> 00:11:41.625
 service and sacrifice.
 
 00:11:41.686 --> 00:11:43.886
 And it's great that the SAR
 
 00:11:44.248 --> 00:11:47.229
 is engaging with them to
 
 00:11:47.850 --> 00:11:49.410
 bolster both their heritage
 
 00:11:49.770 --> 00:11:50.991
 and the heritage of the
 
 00:11:51.052 --> 00:11:53.293
 revolutionary generation in general.
 
 00:11:54.421 --> 00:11:54.881
 You know,
 
 00:11:55.022 --> 00:11:57.943
 education is obviously a key
 
 00:11:58.063 --> 00:12:00.885
 component of not just the work of the SAR,
 
 00:12:00.966 --> 00:12:01.606
 but really the
 
 00:12:02.227 --> 00:12:03.609
 responsibility of all of us
 
 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:04.769
 working on the 250th.
 
 00:12:04.789 --> 00:12:06.431
 So let's talk about the
 
 00:12:07.172 --> 00:12:08.793
 educational forum that the
 
 00:12:08.952 --> 00:12:09.833
 SAR has been putting
 
 00:12:09.874 --> 00:12:11.634
 together and what your
 
 00:12:11.674 --> 00:12:12.956
 hopes and aspirations are
 
 00:12:13.035 --> 00:12:14.378
 for that project.
 
 00:12:15.798 --> 00:12:16.099
 All right.
 
 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:17.860
 Well, a couple of years ago,
 
 00:12:19.181 --> 00:12:21.383
 the Society of Cincinnati and the
 
 00:12:23.264 --> 00:12:25.025
 the Research Institute,
 
 00:12:28.067 --> 00:12:33.390
 sent out invitations to the SAR, the DAR,
 
 00:12:33.811 --> 00:12:35.812
 a variety of like-minded organizations.
 
 00:12:36.653 --> 00:12:37.153
 The list,
 
 00:12:37.854 --> 00:12:38.974
 I think right now we're up to
 
 00:12:39.033 --> 00:12:40.654
 around 40 different members,
 
 00:12:40.855 --> 00:12:42.636
 but Museum of the
 
 00:12:42.657 --> 00:12:44.437
 Revolution of Philadelphia,
 
 00:12:44.597 --> 00:12:47.759
 the George Washington's Mount Vernon,
 
 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:51.902
 through the ladies of Mount Vernon,
 
 00:12:52.716 --> 00:12:54.817
 William and Mary, Williamsburg,
 
 00:12:55.619 --> 00:12:57.078
 the American Village in Alabama,
 
 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:01.802
 the Civil Rights, it goes on and on.
 
 00:13:02.581 --> 00:13:06.423
 But we're all out here doing
 
 00:13:06.543 --> 00:13:09.846
 our own version of an education mission.
 
 00:13:09.905 --> 00:13:11.647
 We, you know, in the SAR,
 
 00:13:11.687 --> 00:13:12.707
 we have an education
 
 00:13:12.727 --> 00:13:15.369
 director and we have
 
 00:13:15.469 --> 00:13:17.990
 developed some videos and
 
 00:13:18.030 --> 00:13:18.770
 some other programs.
 
 00:13:19.298 --> 00:13:20.337
 And they're on our website.
 
 00:13:20.599 --> 00:13:21.479
 And each of these different
 
 00:13:21.499 --> 00:13:23.600
 organizations has done similar things.
 
 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:27.941
 The thought was we are
 
 00:13:28.020 --> 00:13:30.201
 almost working against each
 
 00:13:30.302 --> 00:13:33.583
 other and providing too
 
 00:13:33.624 --> 00:13:34.984
 many different single
 
 00:13:35.104 --> 00:13:38.024
 points for any teachers or
 
 00:13:38.105 --> 00:13:39.306
 educators to go out and
 
 00:13:39.405 --> 00:13:41.466
 find what they need.
 
 00:13:42.886 --> 00:13:44.567
 So the idea or the concept
 
 00:13:44.628 --> 00:13:47.109
 was that we get together
 
 00:13:48.395 --> 00:13:50.476
 We collaboratively work on
 
 00:13:50.517 --> 00:13:52.317
 developing a single site
 
 00:13:53.619 --> 00:13:56.080
 where teachers can go and
 
 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.380
 find links to all of the
 
 00:13:58.421 --> 00:14:00.702
 different organizational products.
 
 00:14:02.744 --> 00:14:05.725
 And rather than,
 
 00:14:05.745 --> 00:14:08.366
 so there's several things
 
 00:14:08.386 --> 00:14:09.047
 we're trying to do,
 
 00:14:09.407 --> 00:14:11.148
 one to put together a master calendar,
 
 00:14:11.268 --> 00:14:13.469
 one to put that we can put
 
 00:14:13.509 --> 00:14:14.549
 all of our activities on.
 
 00:14:15.441 --> 00:14:16.500
 So we de-conflict.
 
 00:14:16.841 --> 00:14:18.442
 We don't end up competing
 
 00:14:18.501 --> 00:14:19.302
 against each other.
 
 00:14:19.423 --> 00:14:21.423
 We can contribute to each
 
 00:14:21.503 --> 00:14:22.344
 other's activities.
 
 00:14:24.684 --> 00:14:24.804
 One,
 
 00:14:24.825 --> 00:14:26.365
 that we don't have three groups
 
 00:14:26.445 --> 00:14:28.326
 working on one lesson plan
 
 00:14:28.385 --> 00:14:29.527
 for a particular event.
 
 00:14:30.667 --> 00:14:32.888
 If one already has a very good lesson plan,
 
 00:14:32.908 --> 00:14:35.288
 then let's look at that,
 
 00:14:35.389 --> 00:14:38.009
 make that the thing that's
 
 00:14:38.049 --> 00:14:38.990
 available on the site.
 
 00:14:41.376 --> 00:14:41.756
 Yeah,
 
 00:14:42.057 --> 00:14:44.360
 the eventual vision is to have
 
 00:14:44.659 --> 00:14:45.821
 something similar to a
 
 00:14:45.900 --> 00:14:49.144
 Netflix landing page where
 
 00:14:49.163 --> 00:14:51.186
 you can go in where any
 
 00:14:51.225 --> 00:14:52.466
 teacher across the country
 
 00:14:52.527 --> 00:14:53.408
 or around the world
 
 00:14:53.687 --> 00:14:55.710
 actually could go in and say,
 
 00:14:55.789 --> 00:14:57.730
 I need to know something
 
 00:14:57.770 --> 00:14:59.552
 about the shot heard around the world.
 
 00:15:00.894 --> 00:15:02.615
 And they type that in and all of a sudden,
 
 00:15:03.115 --> 00:15:08.380
 boom, you get a list of 10 programs,
 
 00:15:09.376 --> 00:15:10.636
 that are available from 10
 
 00:15:10.636 --> 00:15:11.336
 different sites.
 
 00:15:11.817 --> 00:15:14.258
 And so you want to narrow
 
 00:15:14.298 --> 00:15:14.998
 your search and say,
 
 00:15:15.038 --> 00:15:16.678
 I need it for elementary school kids.
 
 00:15:16.938 --> 00:15:17.698
 So all of a sudden, boom,
 
 00:15:17.719 --> 00:15:20.678
 now you got three instead of 10.
 
 00:15:20.678 --> 00:15:23.559
 So that's sort of the ultimate objective,
 
 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.441
 but yeah, like eating the elephant,
 
 00:15:26.461 --> 00:15:27.961
 you got to do it one bite at a time.
 
 00:15:28.780 --> 00:15:29.740
 And we,
 
 00:15:29.841 --> 00:15:32.522
 we are looking to establish some
 
 00:15:32.581 --> 00:15:33.341
 initial gates.
 
 00:15:34.581 --> 00:15:35.923
 So Roger Williams out of the
 
 00:15:35.962 --> 00:15:36.982
 New Jersey society,
 
 00:15:37.043 --> 00:15:38.082
 who is the chair of our
 
 00:15:38.860 --> 00:15:40.280
 education outreach to
 
 00:15:40.321 --> 00:15:41.522
 schools committee is
 
 00:15:41.562 --> 00:15:44.344
 developing a website that
 
 00:15:44.403 --> 00:15:46.044
 is going to have links to
 
 00:15:46.144 --> 00:15:46.825
 each of our different
 
 00:15:46.845 --> 00:15:49.586
 organizations and those
 
 00:15:49.687 --> 00:15:50.768
 links will take you to the
 
 00:15:50.807 --> 00:15:52.428
 education page of that of
 
 00:15:52.448 --> 00:15:55.390
 those different groups so
 
 00:15:55.410 --> 00:15:56.412
 we think we can be stronger
 
 00:15:56.432 --> 00:15:57.692
 and more efficient working
 
 00:15:57.731 --> 00:15:58.832
 together than working
 
 00:15:58.873 --> 00:16:00.033
 independently or separately
 
 00:16:00.702 --> 00:16:01.563
 Well, that's, you know,
 
 00:16:01.783 --> 00:16:03.184
 every time you talk to any
 
 00:16:03.225 --> 00:16:04.065
 group of teachers,
 
 00:16:04.144 --> 00:16:05.765
 that's really what they
 
 00:16:05.806 --> 00:16:06.986
 come back at you at is that
 
 00:16:08.227 --> 00:16:11.229
 they need modules that are
 
 00:16:11.349 --> 00:16:15.192
 customizable but finished so that,
 
 00:16:15.731 --> 00:16:15.971
 you know,
 
 00:16:16.011 --> 00:16:18.094
 they can really... The amount of
 
 00:16:18.173 --> 00:16:21.596
 time that teachers have to teach history,
 
 00:16:22.216 --> 00:16:24.216
 and if we narrow it down to
 
 00:16:24.297 --> 00:16:25.077
 specifically...
 
 00:16:26.292 --> 00:16:29.097
 American Revolution history
 
 00:16:29.118 --> 00:16:31.744
 is ridiculous when you consider
 
 00:16:32.687 --> 00:16:35.448
 how deep and complex the story is.
 
 00:16:35.908 --> 00:16:36.688
 And, you know,
 
 00:16:36.808 --> 00:16:38.188
 giving teachers a week or
 
 00:16:38.288 --> 00:16:40.710
 maybe 10 days to teach the
 
 00:16:40.769 --> 00:16:42.029
 entirety of the American
 
 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:44.029
 Revolution really borders
 
 00:16:44.169 --> 00:16:44.870
 on the criminal.
 
 00:16:44.971 --> 00:16:50.631
 It is a disservice to future citizens,
 
 00:16:51.172 --> 00:16:53.511
 which we have to look at our children as,
 
 00:16:54.712 --> 00:16:56.873
 to provide them with so
 
 00:16:56.993 --> 00:16:58.953
 flimsy a foundation of the
 
 00:16:59.033 --> 00:17:00.193
 understanding of how their
 
 00:17:00.234 --> 00:17:01.094
 country came to be.
 
 00:17:03.344 --> 00:17:04.664
 You're very correct there.
 
 00:17:04.704 --> 00:17:05.265
 You're so right.
 
 00:17:06.346 --> 00:17:07.586
 And I think if you get 10 days,
 
 00:17:07.606 --> 00:17:08.807
 you're actually doing pretty well.
 
 00:17:10.347 --> 00:17:13.329
 Yes, I agree.
 
 00:17:13.430 --> 00:17:14.750
 The further west you go,
 
 00:17:14.871 --> 00:17:18.472
 the less interest there is
 
 00:17:18.553 --> 00:17:20.653
 in the first hundred years of the nation,
 
 00:17:21.555 --> 00:17:23.155
 particularly the founding.
 
 00:17:23.875 --> 00:17:24.997
 So it's kind of a challenge
 
 00:17:25.037 --> 00:17:25.557
 in that regard.
 
 00:17:27.050 --> 00:17:27.270
 You know,
 
 00:17:27.330 --> 00:17:28.531
 one of the things that I tell
 
 00:17:28.592 --> 00:17:30.653
 people a lot about the
 
 00:17:30.752 --> 00:17:32.113
 Massachusetts story,
 
 00:17:32.333 --> 00:17:35.134
 and I will admit to
 
 00:17:35.174 --> 00:17:37.296
 becoming much more vocal
 
 00:17:37.395 --> 00:17:38.915
 about Massachusetts' role
 
 00:17:38.955 --> 00:17:39.856
 in the revolution.
 
 00:17:39.876 --> 00:17:42.137
 I don't want to take away
 
 00:17:42.218 --> 00:17:43.137
 anything from what our
 
 00:17:43.218 --> 00:17:46.420
 peers in Pennsylvania or
 
 00:17:46.940 --> 00:17:48.059
 South Carolina or any of
 
 00:17:48.099 --> 00:17:49.240
 these places have done, but
 
 00:17:50.459 --> 00:17:52.259
 There's so many of the
 
 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.102
 ideals that we as a nation
 
 00:17:55.222 --> 00:17:59.525
 hold dear come to us from the 10,
 
 00:17:59.525 --> 00:18:01.686
 15 year experience of the
 
 00:18:01.747 --> 00:18:02.827
 American Revolution.
 
 00:18:06.269 --> 00:18:07.611
 We talk about the World War
 
 00:18:07.651 --> 00:18:09.031
 II generation being the
 
 00:18:09.071 --> 00:18:10.512
 greatest generation because
 
 00:18:10.933 --> 00:18:12.674
 they've defeated fascism
 
 00:18:13.394 --> 00:18:15.016
 and I would never take
 
 00:18:15.096 --> 00:18:16.356
 anything away from that
 
 00:18:16.436 --> 00:18:19.500
 success and honor their service.
 
 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:22.740
 But when you look at the
 
 00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:24.641
 revolutionary generation, you know,
 
 00:18:24.681 --> 00:18:26.461
 you look at the hyperinflation,
 
 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:28.701
 you look at eight years of
 
 00:18:28.842 --> 00:18:33.103
 war in your community felt, you know,
 
 00:18:33.222 --> 00:18:36.462
 almost every day by family
 
 00:18:36.522 --> 00:18:38.923
 members being gone or killed.
 
 00:18:40.604 --> 00:18:42.345
 It really is a remarkable
 
 00:18:42.505 --> 00:18:45.105
 group of people that the
 
 00:18:45.305 --> 00:18:48.705
 SAR is looking to recognize and honor.
 
 00:18:51.273 --> 00:18:51.773
 Well, it is.
 
 00:18:52.055 --> 00:18:52.434
 It is.
 
 00:18:52.855 --> 00:18:58.278
 And I'm going to go and read
 
 00:18:58.318 --> 00:19:01.641
 you a little bit about what the mission,
 
 00:19:02.622 --> 00:19:03.922
 sort of a specific or
 
 00:19:04.903 --> 00:19:06.243
 specifically what the Sons
 
 00:19:06.263 --> 00:19:07.904
 of the American Revolution strive to do.
 
 00:19:09.125 --> 00:19:10.446
 It kind of ties back into
 
 00:19:10.467 --> 00:19:11.287
 what you're talking about.
 
 00:19:11.587 --> 00:19:13.328
 But it's to perpetuate the
 
 00:19:13.388 --> 00:19:14.750
 memory of the men and women who,
 
 00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:15.789
 by their service or
 
 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:18.092
 sacrifice during the war of
 
 00:19:18.112 --> 00:19:19.093
 the American Revolution,
 
 00:19:19.153 --> 00:19:20.232
 achieved the independence
 
 00:19:20.272 --> 00:19:21.193
 of the American people.
 
 00:19:22.167 --> 00:19:23.508
 It is to unite and promote
 
 00:19:23.628 --> 00:19:25.388
 fellowship among their descendants,
 
 00:19:26.148 --> 00:19:27.569
 to inspire them and the
 
 00:19:27.630 --> 00:19:29.130
 community at large with the
 
 00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:31.411
 more profound reverence for
 
 00:19:31.431 --> 00:19:32.211
 the principles of the
 
 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:34.192
 government founded by our forefathers,
 
 00:19:35.071 --> 00:19:36.573
 to encourage historical
 
 00:19:36.653 --> 00:19:39.834
 research in relations to
 
 00:19:39.854 --> 00:19:40.933
 the American Revolution,
 
 00:19:41.394 --> 00:19:43.115
 to acquire and preserve the
 
 00:19:43.174 --> 00:19:44.375
 records of the individual
 
 00:19:44.455 --> 00:19:46.056
 services of the Patriots of the War,
 
 00:19:46.195 --> 00:19:47.737
 as well as documents, relics,
 
 00:19:47.916 --> 00:19:48.557
 and landmarks.
 
 00:19:49.530 --> 00:19:50.672
 to mark the scenes of the
 
 00:19:50.711 --> 00:19:51.811
 American Revolution by
 
 00:19:51.852 --> 00:19:52.913
 appropriate memorials,
 
 00:19:53.772 --> 00:19:54.492
 to celebrate the
 
 00:19:54.512 --> 00:19:55.394
 anniversaries of the
 
 00:19:55.433 --> 00:19:56.773
 prominent events of the war
 
 00:19:57.474 --> 00:19:59.055
 and of the Revolutionary period,
 
 00:20:00.076 --> 00:20:02.096
 to foster true patriotism,
 
 00:20:02.876 --> 00:20:04.157
 to maintain and extend the
 
 00:20:04.198 --> 00:20:06.058
 institutions of American freedom,
 
 00:20:07.098 --> 00:20:08.099
 and to carry out the
 
 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:09.519
 purposes expressed in the
 
 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:10.240
 preamble of the
 
 00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:11.760
 Constitution of our country
 
 00:20:12.362 --> 00:20:13.241
 and the injunctions of
 
 00:20:13.281 --> 00:20:14.583
 President George Washington
 
 00:20:15.182 --> 00:20:16.364
 in his farewell address to
 
 00:20:16.384 --> 00:20:17.144
 the American people.
 
 00:20:19.432 --> 00:20:22.633
 So that kind of lays it out.
 
 00:20:22.712 --> 00:20:26.034
 That's where we are focused.
 
 00:20:27.493 --> 00:20:29.835
 And I think that encompasses
 
 00:20:30.015 --> 00:20:31.355
 the things that you were
 
 00:20:31.375 --> 00:20:32.515
 just mentioning there.
 
 00:20:33.355 --> 00:20:34.056
 So, you know,
 
 00:20:34.096 --> 00:20:35.236
 you talk about this new
 
 00:20:35.296 --> 00:20:36.855
 museum and education center
 
 00:20:36.875 --> 00:20:38.116
 that's being built in Louisville,
 
 00:20:38.156 --> 00:20:39.277
 Kentucky, obviously.
 
 00:20:41.103 --> 00:20:41.804
 In this period,
 
 00:20:41.844 --> 00:20:43.005
 two of the newest museums
 
 00:20:43.045 --> 00:20:43.905
 that have opened in this
 
 00:20:43.965 --> 00:20:45.807
 country center around the
 
 00:20:46.147 --> 00:20:47.048
 American Revolution.
 
 00:20:47.068 --> 00:20:47.410
 Of course,
 
 00:20:47.450 --> 00:20:48.490
 the Museum of the American
 
 00:20:48.530 --> 00:20:50.573
 Revolution in Philadelphia, which is...
 
 00:20:51.811 --> 00:20:54.054
 really beyond compare as far
 
 00:20:54.315 --> 00:20:56.376
 as their collecting efforts.
 
 00:20:56.436 --> 00:20:56.656
 I mean,
 
 00:20:56.676 --> 00:20:57.657
 they've been all over the news
 
 00:20:57.718 --> 00:20:58.618
 recently with new
 
 00:20:58.659 --> 00:21:01.142
 discoveries and opportunities.
 
 00:21:01.162 --> 00:21:03.584
 And then of course, the Yorktown,
 
 00:21:03.844 --> 00:21:04.684
 what used to be known as
 
 00:21:04.724 --> 00:21:06.186
 the Yorktown Victory Center
 
 00:21:06.247 --> 00:21:10.230
 has sort of morphed over the last,
 
 00:21:10.431 --> 00:21:10.852
 oh gosh,
 
 00:21:10.892 --> 00:21:12.854
 it's gotta be almost 15 years now.
 
 00:21:14.013 --> 00:21:15.294
 into a museum of the
 
 00:21:15.354 --> 00:21:16.855
 American Revolution as well.
 
 00:21:16.914 --> 00:21:19.894
 So do you see as there's
 
 00:21:20.015 --> 00:21:23.276
 more room for such museums?
 
 00:21:23.355 --> 00:21:24.615
 I mean, obviously,
 
 00:21:24.635 --> 00:21:26.516
 and I want to talk
 
 00:21:26.556 --> 00:21:27.557
 specifically about one
 
 00:21:27.596 --> 00:21:29.136
 particular artifact that
 
 00:21:29.217 --> 00:21:30.436
 you're going to be exhibiting.
 
 00:21:31.457 --> 00:21:33.038
 But in laying out the case
 
 00:21:33.097 --> 00:21:37.397
 for a museum that's run by
 
 00:21:37.438 --> 00:21:38.838
 the Sons of the American Revolution,
 
 00:21:38.898 --> 00:21:40.298
 what do you see as...
 
 00:21:41.394 --> 00:21:42.977
 uh the the thing that's
 
 00:21:43.017 --> 00:21:45.920
 going to set it apart well
 
 00:21:46.320 --> 00:21:47.721
 there's several aspects of
 
 00:21:47.781 --> 00:21:48.643
 our museum that are going
 
 00:21:48.663 --> 00:21:50.003
 to be different than the
 
 00:21:50.424 --> 00:21:52.207
 the others uh first off
 
 00:21:52.907 --> 00:21:53.567
 we're in louisville
 
 00:21:53.587 --> 00:21:57.432
 kentucky so we are in what
 
 00:21:57.491 --> 00:21:59.473
 was at the time a portion
 
 00:21:59.634 --> 00:22:02.718
 of the state of virginia
 
 00:22:04.070 --> 00:22:06.511
 It was the jumping off point for, uh,
 
 00:22:07.051 --> 00:22:07.892
 general George Rogers
 
 00:22:07.991 --> 00:22:09.692
 Clark's expedition up into
 
 00:22:09.751 --> 00:22:11.633
 Indiana to the Vincennes.
 
 00:22:12.792 --> 00:22:16.114
 And, uh, it became a, um,
 
 00:22:17.273 --> 00:22:20.034
 a forward base and,
 
 00:22:20.134 --> 00:22:21.755
 and everybody was still looking for that.
 
 00:22:22.015 --> 00:22:23.095
 Uh, yeah, it was on the,
 
 00:22:23.335 --> 00:22:24.634
 on the Ohio river.
 
 00:22:25.415 --> 00:22:26.415
 So it had, uh,
 
 00:22:27.615 --> 00:22:29.635
 flow to the Mississippi and
 
 00:22:29.756 --> 00:22:30.596
 then north through the
 
 00:22:30.616 --> 00:22:31.636
 great lakes and south to
 
 00:22:31.656 --> 00:22:32.396
 the Gulf of Mexico.
 
 00:22:33.330 --> 00:22:34.311
 So on the,
 
 00:22:34.791 --> 00:22:36.854
 what was the colonial American
 
 00:22:37.653 --> 00:22:39.375
 highway system of rivers,
 
 00:22:40.155 --> 00:22:41.116
 it was a key point.
 
 00:22:43.638 --> 00:22:45.861
 What we are bringing is not
 
 00:22:46.060 --> 00:22:51.986
 only an overview of the entire revolution,
 
 00:22:52.226 --> 00:22:54.567
 but a focus on the Western
 
 00:22:54.627 --> 00:22:55.788
 theater of the revolution.
 
 00:22:57.289 --> 00:22:58.750
 And before our
 
 00:22:59.708 --> 00:23:01.989
 SAR membership, you know,
 
 00:23:01.989 --> 00:23:03.088
 37,000 members of the SAR,
 
 00:23:03.189 --> 00:23:04.390
 and they're looking at, uh,
 
 00:23:05.970 --> 00:23:07.671
 how their money is spent,
 
 00:23:08.070 --> 00:23:09.310
 how the national is, uh,
 
 00:23:09.510 --> 00:23:10.571
 given that what what's the
 
 00:23:10.632 --> 00:23:11.692
 return on their investment
 
 00:23:11.711 --> 00:23:12.571
 in the organization.
 
 00:23:13.833 --> 00:23:15.073
 They were a little concerned
 
 00:23:15.353 --> 00:23:16.334
 across the board about
 
 00:23:16.413 --> 00:23:18.493
 building another brick and mortar museum.
 
 00:23:19.434 --> 00:23:20.134
 What's going to make our
 
 00:23:20.174 --> 00:23:23.016
 museum a little different is all of the,
 
 00:23:23.195 --> 00:23:23.355
 uh,
 
 00:23:24.556 --> 00:23:27.436
 technology that computerized interactive,
 
 00:23:28.137 --> 00:23:28.897
 uh, graphics.
 
 00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:32.582
 and stations are going to be
 
 00:23:32.701 --> 00:23:36.265
 accessible to the public in
 
 00:23:36.325 --> 00:23:39.307
 that if you're a teacher in
 
 00:23:39.508 --> 00:23:41.950
 upstate Washington or in
 
 00:23:42.009 --> 00:23:45.511
 New Mexico or you're
 
 00:23:45.531 --> 00:23:47.273
 teaching American classes
 
 00:23:47.874 --> 00:23:50.836
 for the Department of Defense in Germany,
 
 00:23:52.137 --> 00:23:56.800
 you can access our programs
 
 00:23:56.942 --> 00:23:58.682
 and displays remotely
 
 00:24:00.103 --> 00:24:01.924
 So you can participate in
 
 00:24:02.424 --> 00:24:04.426
 learning through the museum that way.
 
 00:24:06.347 --> 00:24:07.909
 I think actually that's one
 
 00:24:07.929 --> 00:24:08.869
 of the most exciting
 
 00:24:09.049 --> 00:24:10.590
 opportunities to come along
 
 00:24:10.731 --> 00:24:13.653
 in sort of museum culture generally.
 
 00:24:14.365 --> 00:24:16.086
 is this idea of you have
 
 00:24:16.147 --> 00:24:17.848
 these on-site experiences
 
 00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:19.410
 but through digital
 
 00:24:19.470 --> 00:24:22.553
 technology uh you can now
 
 00:24:23.192 --> 00:24:24.173
 share them with people
 
 00:24:24.253 --> 00:24:25.795
 around the world and in
 
 00:24:25.894 --> 00:24:27.636
 looking at some of the
 
 00:24:27.717 --> 00:24:29.018
 projects that I've seen
 
 00:24:29.097 --> 00:24:30.259
 proposed you know the sort
 
 00:24:30.878 --> 00:24:32.800
 of decision-based can you
 
 00:24:32.881 --> 00:24:34.682
 get to an independent
 
 00:24:34.741 --> 00:24:36.663
 america by making good
 
 00:24:36.743 --> 00:24:39.026
 choices you know it is very much about
 
 00:24:39.846 --> 00:24:43.528
 choices and response and outcomes.
 
 00:24:43.608 --> 00:24:45.911
 And I think that's really, again,
 
 00:24:45.971 --> 00:24:48.113
 it's a tool that we don't
 
 00:24:48.232 --> 00:24:50.795
 use much with children these days.
 
 00:24:50.815 --> 00:24:51.895
 And I think it's potentially
 
 00:24:51.935 --> 00:24:54.038
 really powerful to see how
 
 00:24:54.117 --> 00:24:57.980
 we got from A to B. You know,
 
 00:24:58.040 --> 00:24:59.461
 if you can put a student in
 
 00:24:59.481 --> 00:25:01.542
 the position of having to make a decision,
 
 00:25:02.663 --> 00:25:05.405
 giving choices, A, B, and C, and say,
 
 00:25:05.446 --> 00:25:06.748
 okay, based on what you know,
 
 00:25:08.009 --> 00:25:08.548
 what would you do?
 
 00:25:09.335 --> 00:25:10.276
 And then you can show them
 
 00:25:10.336 --> 00:25:12.478
 what the third and fourth
 
 00:25:12.557 --> 00:25:14.199
 order effects of those decisions are.
 
 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:16.661
 That's real experiential learning.
 
 00:25:17.122 --> 00:25:18.762
 And the hardest part for anything,
 
 00:25:19.023 --> 00:25:20.204
 any student to understand
 
 00:25:20.265 --> 00:25:21.486
 is the idea that they went
 
 00:25:21.526 --> 00:25:23.847
 into this not knowing the outcome.
 
 00:25:24.208 --> 00:25:26.069
 I mean, we know the outcome,
 
 00:25:26.690 --> 00:25:30.012
 but for people 250 years ago,
 
 00:25:30.413 --> 00:25:31.374
 they didn't know how this
 
 00:25:31.433 --> 00:25:32.234
 was going to end up.
 
 00:25:33.455 --> 00:25:33.695
 Yeah.
 
 00:25:34.076 --> 00:25:34.176
 And
 
 00:25:34.909 --> 00:25:36.190
 Let's always refer back to
 
 00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:37.611
 whether it was actually true or not,
 
 00:25:37.691 --> 00:25:39.332
 but to the accredited
 
 00:25:39.771 --> 00:25:41.153
 statement from Benjamin Franklin,
 
 00:25:42.413 --> 00:25:44.935
 that if we do not all hang together,
 
 00:25:44.955 --> 00:25:46.076
 we will most certainly all
 
 00:25:46.116 --> 00:25:46.797
 hang separately.
 
 00:25:47.317 --> 00:25:49.219
 Well, in talking about hanging together,
 
 00:25:49.479 --> 00:25:51.840
 one of the objects that
 
 00:25:51.861 --> 00:25:52.401
 you're going to be
 
 00:25:52.441 --> 00:25:54.502
 featuring in the new museum is, of course,
 
 00:25:55.864 --> 00:25:57.865
 the articles of the
 
 00:25:57.904 --> 00:26:00.326
 Continental Association document,
 
 00:26:00.567 --> 00:26:01.907
 which was signed by
 
 00:26:03.881 --> 00:26:04.840
 all the sort of,
 
 00:26:05.501 --> 00:26:07.864
 shall we call them the
 
 00:26:08.124 --> 00:26:10.526
 A-list political
 
 00:26:10.665 --> 00:26:13.627
 celebrities of the American
 
 00:26:13.647 --> 00:26:14.588
 Revolutionary period.
 
 00:26:15.869 --> 00:26:17.830
 How did the society get
 
 00:26:17.871 --> 00:26:18.811
 their hands on that?
 
 00:26:20.472 --> 00:26:24.596
 Well, we have an outstanding curator,
 
 00:26:24.615 --> 00:26:26.457
 a young fellow named Zach Distel.
 
 00:26:27.077 --> 00:26:30.740
 You met Zach at Louisville
 
 00:26:30.941 --> 00:26:32.461
 when we were hosts for the
 
 00:26:33.307 --> 00:26:34.888
 forum back in the spring.
 
 00:26:36.431 --> 00:26:39.093
 And he keeps an ear to the
 
 00:26:39.133 --> 00:26:41.253
 ground on what's going on
 
 00:26:41.334 --> 00:26:42.015
 and has a lot of
 
 00:26:42.035 --> 00:26:44.457
 connections through other
 
 00:26:44.497 --> 00:26:45.857
 curators and other museums.
 
 00:26:46.838 --> 00:26:48.160
 We also have a bunch of guys
 
 00:26:49.201 --> 00:26:51.321
 like us who are out there
 
 00:26:51.342 --> 00:26:53.904
 ear to the ground watching
 
 00:26:53.924 --> 00:26:55.185
 and sniffing around and
 
 00:26:55.205 --> 00:26:56.266
 going to auctions and
 
 00:26:56.507 --> 00:26:57.487
 auction houses and
 
 00:26:58.888 --> 00:27:00.068
 interviewing people or
 
 00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:01.750
 going to see private collections.
 
 00:27:02.948 --> 00:27:06.410
 And when something like that comes up,
 
 00:27:08.451 --> 00:27:10.592
 it is proposed to the museum board.
 
 00:27:10.612 --> 00:27:13.574
 The museum board will review
 
 00:27:16.275 --> 00:27:17.154
 what we have in the
 
 00:27:17.214 --> 00:27:18.296
 accounts as far as our
 
 00:27:18.336 --> 00:27:19.636
 ability to purchase something,
 
 00:27:21.176 --> 00:27:23.659
 or we go out to members of
 
 00:27:23.679 --> 00:27:25.380
 the SAR with deep pockets
 
 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.940
 who might be interested in
 
 00:27:27.861 --> 00:27:28.740
 purchasing and then
 
 00:27:28.780 --> 00:27:30.041
 becoming the donor of that
 
 00:27:30.617 --> 00:27:31.398
 where they will be
 
 00:27:31.479 --> 00:27:32.898
 perpetually linked to it in
 
 00:27:32.919 --> 00:27:36.040
 the museum as the donor or
 
 00:27:36.141 --> 00:27:37.781
 provider of the funds for
 
 00:27:37.842 --> 00:27:39.663
 the purchase of this item or that item.
 
 00:27:40.763 --> 00:27:43.685
 So it's people who are
 
 00:27:43.806 --> 00:27:46.166
 concerned about preserving those items,
 
 00:27:46.647 --> 00:27:48.909
 bringing them to the SAR
 
 00:27:48.949 --> 00:27:53.451
 museum and having a stake
 
 00:27:54.992 --> 00:27:58.335
 in that item and saving
 
 00:27:58.355 --> 00:28:00.195
 that item for perpetuity.
 
 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:02.961
 it never ceases to amaze me
 
 00:28:03.061 --> 00:28:04.542
 the things that, uh,
 
 00:28:04.703 --> 00:28:06.404
 pop up in auctions or
 
 00:28:06.505 --> 00:28:08.405
 auction houses or in private collections.
 
 00:28:08.546 --> 00:28:10.548
 I'm, I am, uh,
 
 00:28:10.708 --> 00:28:12.469
 an optimist when it comes to, uh,
 
 00:28:13.329 --> 00:28:14.349
 expecting that there are
 
 00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:15.510
 still great things that
 
 00:28:15.530 --> 00:28:16.571
 will make their appearance.
 
 00:28:17.311 --> 00:28:18.712
 Uh, on that topic,
 
 00:28:18.833 --> 00:28:21.154
 how many members of the SAR
 
 00:28:21.335 --> 00:28:22.875
 are there in the United States?
 
 00:28:24.317 --> 00:28:27.159
 Right now we're right around 37,000.
 
 00:28:27.199 --> 00:28:27.278
 Um,
 
 00:28:30.795 --> 00:28:32.336
 They said 37,000 members.
 
 00:28:33.435 --> 00:28:34.836
 We are on a, um,
 
 00:28:37.136 --> 00:28:38.637
 we've sort of flatlined in
 
 00:28:38.698 --> 00:28:40.357
 growth over the last couple of years.
 
 00:28:41.078 --> 00:28:44.299
 We're bringing in about 3,800 members,
 
 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.480
 new members a year,
 
 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.082
 and we're losing about
 
 00:28:49.082 --> 00:28:50.721
 3,700 new members a year.
 
 00:28:51.682 --> 00:28:52.063
 So our,
 
 00:28:52.482 --> 00:28:55.644
 our growth rate has flatlined since, uh,
 
 00:28:56.324 --> 00:28:58.785
 COVID and
 
 00:29:00.502 --> 00:29:01.282
 You know,
 
 00:29:01.364 --> 00:29:02.923
 we're an organization
 
 00:29:02.984 --> 00:29:05.526
 predominantly of old men.
 
 00:29:05.546 --> 00:29:09.367
 And we are one of the
 
 00:29:09.429 --> 00:29:11.910
 objectives for my term as
 
 00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:12.830
 Registrar General.
 
 00:29:12.851 --> 00:29:14.030
 One of the things President
 
 00:29:14.050 --> 00:29:16.873
 General Addington put me in
 
 00:29:16.913 --> 00:29:19.974
 charge of is recruiting and retention.
 
 00:29:21.556 --> 00:29:25.258
 So we are looking at trying
 
 00:29:25.298 --> 00:29:26.179
 to lower the bar
 
 00:29:26.798 --> 00:29:29.540
 demographically to get our average age
 
 00:29:30.625 --> 00:29:35.589
 down to something below 70
 
 00:29:35.589 --> 00:29:39.332
 and to improve our retention.
 
 00:29:40.292 --> 00:29:41.834
 So in order to do that, you know,
 
 00:29:41.854 --> 00:29:43.494
 we have to provide our new
 
 00:29:43.535 --> 00:29:46.817
 members with a return on their investment,
 
 00:29:48.459 --> 00:29:49.940
 something quantifiable in
 
 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:50.940
 their mind that makes it
 
 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:51.881
 worth staying for.
 
 00:29:52.521 --> 00:29:53.182
 Do you think that's what's
 
 00:29:53.221 --> 00:29:53.942
 holding a younger
 
 00:29:53.982 --> 00:29:55.584
 generation from getting
 
 00:29:56.163 --> 00:29:58.586
 engaging with heritage societies?
 
 00:30:00.250 --> 00:30:00.410
 Well,
 
 00:30:00.509 --> 00:30:02.811
 I think there are two challenges when
 
 00:30:02.852 --> 00:30:05.493
 you look at guys who are
 
 00:30:05.513 --> 00:30:08.115
 under the age of 40.
 
 00:30:08.115 --> 00:30:12.657
 And the biggest is time.
 
 00:30:12.678 --> 00:30:15.599
 If you're raising a family,
 
 00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.682
 if you are working,
 
 00:30:17.981 --> 00:30:21.084
 if you are working and have a hobby,
 
 00:30:22.444 --> 00:30:24.046
 say you're a golfer or you
 
 00:30:24.066 --> 00:30:25.586
 play softball or your kids
 
 00:30:25.646 --> 00:30:26.386
 are in Little League or
 
 00:30:26.406 --> 00:30:27.468
 soccer or this or that,
 
 00:30:28.989 --> 00:30:30.049
 you don't have a lot of time.
 
 00:30:31.247 --> 00:30:31.928
 that is your own.
 
 00:30:33.969 --> 00:30:35.611
 The secondary portion of
 
 00:30:35.671 --> 00:30:38.613
 that is you don't have the
 
 00:30:39.253 --> 00:30:41.734
 disposable income to do the
 
 00:30:41.796 --> 00:30:43.757
 travel or to do investing
 
 00:30:44.498 --> 00:30:46.019
 unless your hobby is reenacting.
 
 00:30:48.500 --> 00:30:50.102
 And we have a, yeah,
 
 00:30:50.122 --> 00:30:51.383
 that's a big target for us
 
 00:30:51.803 --> 00:30:53.183
 is the reenactor community.
 
 00:30:54.546 --> 00:30:55.807
 Reenactors don't have money
 
 00:30:55.866 --> 00:30:56.987
 that I know for sure.
 
 00:30:57.007 --> 00:30:57.107
 Right.
 
 00:30:58.635 --> 00:31:00.457
 Once you buy your kit and
 
 00:31:00.497 --> 00:31:03.557
 you start traveling to the shows,
 
 00:31:03.577 --> 00:31:05.358
 you don't have a lot of money or time,
 
 00:31:05.719 --> 00:31:07.779
 but we target those guys
 
 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:08.660
 because at least they're
 
 00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.500
 partway there for being a
 
 00:31:10.540 --> 00:31:11.201
 color guardsman.
 
 00:31:11.662 --> 00:31:12.481
 I mean, you have,
 
 00:31:13.942 --> 00:31:17.124
 there are opportunities for the society,
 
 00:31:17.203 --> 00:31:18.203
 the sons of the American
 
 00:31:18.265 --> 00:31:22.026
 Revolution to engage with students.
 
 00:31:22.066 --> 00:31:24.027
 I mean, you have student programs that,
 
 00:31:25.323 --> 00:31:27.503
 out there that scholarships
 
 00:31:27.564 --> 00:31:29.204
 are available and all kinds
 
 00:31:29.285 --> 00:31:31.007
 of opportunities.
 
 00:31:31.146 --> 00:31:32.607
 And I will agree with you.
 
 00:31:32.907 --> 00:31:34.749
 I think that in the list of
 
 00:31:34.848 --> 00:31:36.150
 free time activities,
 
 00:31:36.210 --> 00:31:39.011
 history is pretty low down
 
 00:31:39.192 --> 00:31:43.035
 on the list for young men in particular.
 
 00:31:43.055 --> 00:31:47.557
 I was going to say,
 
 00:31:47.597 --> 00:31:48.459
 we think the target
 
 00:31:48.499 --> 00:31:49.880
 demographic for us is going
 
 00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:50.921
 to be the 50 to 60-year-olds.
 
 00:31:53.847 --> 00:31:56.009
 Because you get to that point in your life,
 
 00:31:56.669 --> 00:31:58.029
 mostly your kids are out of school.
 
 00:31:58.670 --> 00:31:59.490
 They've moved on.
 
 00:31:59.651 --> 00:32:01.852
 You are getting into the
 
 00:32:01.991 --> 00:32:03.952
 upper levels of your career field,
 
 00:32:04.653 --> 00:32:06.074
 starting to contemplate retirement.
 
 00:32:06.213 --> 00:32:07.454
 You have a little bit of spare time.
 
 00:32:08.795 --> 00:32:09.955
 And, you know,
 
 00:32:09.996 --> 00:32:11.656
 if you do the meetings and stuff right,
 
 00:32:11.957 --> 00:32:12.997
 we provide both
 
 00:32:13.057 --> 00:32:14.718
 entertainment and a night out.
 
 00:32:15.358 --> 00:32:18.599
 So we hope that you get a speaker,
 
 00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:20.141
 you get a little bit of
 
 00:32:20.161 --> 00:32:22.061
 history if you're interested in that.
 
 00:32:23.172 --> 00:32:24.031
 And as you were saying,
 
 00:32:24.071 --> 00:32:25.173
 the programs we offer,
 
 00:32:25.732 --> 00:32:29.653
 we offer a elementary
 
 00:32:29.693 --> 00:32:31.515
 school poster contest,
 
 00:32:31.654 --> 00:32:33.535
 a middle school brochure
 
 00:32:33.674 --> 00:32:34.836
 and essay contest.
 
 00:32:34.915 --> 00:32:37.276
 We have a high school orations contest.
 
 00:32:38.116 --> 00:32:39.176
 We have a new program,
 
 00:32:39.217 --> 00:32:42.117
 which is a historical video contest.
 
 00:32:43.038 --> 00:32:44.178
 A lot of TikTokers and
 
 00:32:44.218 --> 00:32:45.259
 videographers out there
 
 00:32:45.778 --> 00:32:47.598
 that would be able to put
 
 00:32:47.638 --> 00:32:48.319
 something together.
 
 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.059
 We sponsor Eagle Scout and
 
 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.681
 JROTC scholarships.
 
 00:32:53.868 --> 00:32:57.250
 And we sponsor a history teacher program.
 
 00:32:57.329 --> 00:32:58.451
 So it's the Dr. Tom and
 
 00:32:58.490 --> 00:32:59.990
 Betty Lawrence American
 
 00:33:00.010 --> 00:33:01.971
 History Teacher Program.
 
 00:33:02.011 --> 00:33:03.071
 And we have two categories,
 
 00:33:03.173 --> 00:33:04.313
 one for high school and one
 
 00:33:04.373 --> 00:33:05.653
 for elementary and middle school.
 
 00:33:06.753 --> 00:33:07.874
 And those are scholarships
 
 00:33:07.993 --> 00:33:08.815
 where we take those
 
 00:33:08.875 --> 00:33:11.115
 teachers and offer them a sabbatical,
 
 00:33:11.256 --> 00:33:11.655
 the winners.
 
 00:33:12.296 --> 00:33:14.057
 So there's winners at chapter, state,
 
 00:33:14.176 --> 00:33:14.997
 and national level.
 
 00:33:15.737 --> 00:33:16.938
 The national level winners
 
 00:33:17.038 --> 00:33:20.898
 get a session either at Valley Forge,
 
 00:33:21.219 --> 00:33:23.140
 Williamsburg, or Mount Vernon
 
 00:33:24.008 --> 00:33:25.749
 where they can go and spend
 
 00:33:25.788 --> 00:33:28.070
 a week being trained on
 
 00:33:28.151 --> 00:33:31.333
 site with these different organizations,
 
 00:33:31.393 --> 00:33:32.334
 which they can then take
 
 00:33:32.374 --> 00:33:35.135
 back to their schools.
 
 00:33:36.195 --> 00:33:37.656
 The other thing we do as
 
 00:33:38.458 --> 00:33:40.759
 compatriots is the living
 
 00:33:40.798 --> 00:33:42.440
 history guys in our traveling trunks.
 
 00:33:43.901 --> 00:33:46.323
 So we have a lot of replica.
 
 00:33:47.564 --> 00:33:49.065
 We have guys who will dress up.
 
 00:33:49.125 --> 00:33:50.445
 They have all the clothing,
 
 00:33:50.486 --> 00:33:52.007
 the various uniforms.
 
 00:33:52.951 --> 00:33:54.951
 from civilian to militia to, uh,
 
 00:33:55.432 --> 00:33:55.972
 continentals.
 
 00:33:56.873 --> 00:33:58.472
 Uh, we have, uh, out in California,
 
 00:33:58.492 --> 00:34:00.932
 we have large contingent of Marines who,
 
 00:34:01.192 --> 00:34:01.292
 uh,
 
 00:34:01.634 --> 00:34:03.273
 would not wear anything but the Marine
 
 00:34:03.314 --> 00:34:06.894
 greens, uh, of the early, uh,
 
 00:34:06.953 --> 00:34:07.775
 seagoing Marines.
 
 00:34:08.934 --> 00:34:09.635
 They, um,
 
 00:34:10.335 --> 00:34:11.855
 but the traveling trunks are a
 
 00:34:13.215 --> 00:34:15.056
 variety of replica items
 
 00:34:15.135 --> 00:34:16.735
 that we take into the classroom.
 
 00:34:16.755 --> 00:34:17.076
 So we,
 
 00:34:17.215 --> 00:34:19.036
 we call it or refer to it as a field
 
 00:34:19.056 --> 00:34:21.556
 trip in a box where we come to you.
 
 00:34:22.646 --> 00:34:24.146
 And we can go to your classroom.
 
 00:34:24.186 --> 00:34:28.030
 We'll do scout troops, uh, uh, different,
 
 00:34:28.411 --> 00:34:29.931
 uh, youth programs.
 
 00:34:30.512 --> 00:34:32.054
 Uh, we've gone to churches, uh,
 
 00:34:33.414 --> 00:34:35.195
 and go in there and talk
 
 00:34:35.235 --> 00:34:36.036
 about it and let the kids
 
 00:34:36.056 --> 00:34:37.378
 handle the artifacts or
 
 00:34:37.617 --> 00:34:38.579
 some of them are artifacts.
 
 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:39.820
 Most of them are replicas,
 
 00:34:40.179 --> 00:34:42.402
 but give an idea of what, uh,
 
 00:34:44.204 --> 00:34:45.445
 what they would do in the evening.
 
 00:34:45.525 --> 00:34:46.965
 Since you don't have electricity,
 
 00:34:47.005 --> 00:34:47.927
 you don't have light,
 
 00:34:48.106 --> 00:34:49.387
 you don't have TV and,
 
 00:34:49.847 --> 00:34:50.668
 and all of those things.
 
 00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:52.090
 Um,
 
 00:34:54.976 --> 00:34:55.197
 Look,
 
 00:34:55.277 --> 00:34:58.498
 I've spent 30 years in public history.
 
 00:34:58.577 --> 00:35:01.139
 Nobody knows better the
 
 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.960
 power of being able to give
 
 00:35:04.021 --> 00:35:06.061
 the kids something to touch,
 
 00:35:06.161 --> 00:35:07.043
 something to smell,
 
 00:35:07.103 --> 00:35:10.565
 something to see that is
 
 00:35:10.844 --> 00:35:12.224
 out of the ordinary for them.
 
 00:35:12.244 --> 00:35:14.847
 It really can be a powerful
 
 00:35:14.927 --> 00:35:16.487
 source of inspiration for them.
 
 00:35:18.969 --> 00:35:21.389
 My wife does this with me and
 
 00:35:24.237 --> 00:35:25.980
 She has put together like a
 
 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.501
 15-minute program just
 
 00:35:28.581 --> 00:35:30.423
 based on a block of beeswax
 
 00:35:31.565 --> 00:35:36.648
 and a horn-made spoon or a
 
 00:35:36.668 --> 00:35:37.690
 spoon-made horn.
 
 00:35:38.851 --> 00:35:39.931
 Yeah,
 
 00:35:40.052 --> 00:35:43.876
 it's amazing the work you can do with
 
 00:35:43.936 --> 00:35:44.775
 artifacts like that.
 
 00:35:47.248 --> 00:35:48.469
 Let's say there are people
 
 00:35:48.548 --> 00:35:49.929
 out there who are tuning in
 
 00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:51.911
 for the first time and are
 
 00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:53.452
 interested in looking into
 
 00:35:53.512 --> 00:35:55.233
 being a member of the SAR.
 
 00:35:55.313 --> 00:35:56.293
 How do they start?
 
 00:35:58.454 --> 00:35:59.835
 Well, as we said,
 
 00:35:59.856 --> 00:36:02.217
 we have chapters all around the country.
 
 00:36:03.257 --> 00:36:06.400
 So the first step I would
 
 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:08.762
 suggest would be to go to SAR.org,
 
 00:36:09.663 --> 00:36:11.244
 which is our national website.
 
 00:36:12.443 --> 00:36:14.925
 And on SAR.org,
 
 00:36:14.985 --> 00:36:16.507
 on the public-facing side of it,
 
 00:36:18.237 --> 00:36:18.757
 Yeah, thank you.
 
 00:36:19.458 --> 00:36:23.121
 You can, there's a tab,
 
 00:36:23.141 --> 00:36:25.222
 there are a variety of tabs.
 
 00:36:25.762 --> 00:36:27.724
 One of my favorite is the education tab,
 
 00:36:27.764 --> 00:36:29.686
 which takes you to all the
 
 00:36:29.726 --> 00:36:30.967
 various things we offer in
 
 00:36:30.987 --> 00:36:31.947
 the education arena.
 
 00:36:32.728 --> 00:36:35.590
 But there's also a membership tab.
 
 00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:37.112
 So if you go to that,
 
 00:36:37.431 --> 00:36:40.494
 it will take you to the,
 
 00:36:40.994 --> 00:36:42.356
 a link to all of the
 
 00:36:42.936 --> 00:36:44.657
 different state websites.
 
 00:36:45.942 --> 00:36:48.184
 and you can go to your state website.
 
 00:36:48.503 --> 00:36:50.485
 And at most of the state websites,
 
 00:36:50.625 --> 00:36:53.668
 there is a feature that
 
 00:36:53.688 --> 00:36:54.929
 allows you to either put in
 
 00:36:54.969 --> 00:36:59.972
 your zip code or just your town,
 
 00:37:00.271 --> 00:37:03.233
 and it will give you the closest chapter.
 
 00:37:04.876 --> 00:37:05.996
 You can then contact the
 
 00:37:06.036 --> 00:37:07.257
 chapter and initiate the
 
 00:37:07.297 --> 00:37:08.797
 process where you'll get a
 
 00:37:09.298 --> 00:37:11.280
 coach or mentor assigned to
 
 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:12.201
 you that will help you with
 
 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:13.762
 your application.
 
 00:37:14.516 --> 00:37:15.777
 There's also an online
 
 00:37:15.817 --> 00:37:17.038
 version of the application
 
 00:37:17.097 --> 00:37:19.298
 available to you on SAR.org,
 
 00:37:19.958 --> 00:37:21.619
 where you can go in and
 
 00:37:23.500 --> 00:37:26.380
 contact our staff registrar.
 
 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.581
 It's a guy named Jonathan Toon.
 
 00:37:29.061 --> 00:37:31.163
 Contact Jonathan by starting
 
 00:37:31.262 --> 00:37:32.163
 your application.
 
 00:37:32.402 --> 00:37:37.025
 He will link you up with the local,
 
 00:37:37.985 --> 00:37:39.206
 the guy closest to you that
 
 00:37:39.246 --> 00:37:40.485
 can help you with your application.
 
 00:37:42.554 --> 00:37:43.695
 The biggest thing that we
 
 00:37:43.735 --> 00:37:45.835
 need on the applications is
 
 00:37:46.056 --> 00:37:47.556
 primary source documentation.
 
 00:37:49.197 --> 00:37:50.539
 And we'll help you figure
 
 00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:51.960
 out where to get that.
 
 00:37:53.541 --> 00:37:55.041
 There is so much stuff now
 
 00:37:55.262 --> 00:37:58.123
 online where you can access
 
 00:37:58.164 --> 00:37:59.384
 the actual primary source
 
 00:38:00.065 --> 00:38:01.806
 that it's a lot easier than
 
 00:38:01.846 --> 00:38:02.385
 it used to be.
 
 00:38:03.086 --> 00:38:03.806
 Yeah.
 
 00:38:04.067 --> 00:38:05.188
 As somebody who's been a
 
 00:38:05.248 --> 00:38:07.088
 genealogist for a long time,
 
 00:38:07.108 --> 00:38:10.271
 I am constantly amazed at
 
 00:38:10.311 --> 00:38:11.612
 the data that's available.
 
 00:38:12.637 --> 00:38:14.438
 through primary source materials online,
 
 00:38:14.498 --> 00:38:15.179
 not just through
 
 00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:19.342
 organizations like the SAR and the DAR,
 
 00:38:19.382 --> 00:38:20.402
 who have an outstanding
 
 00:38:20.442 --> 00:38:21.882
 genealogical library as well.
 
 00:38:21.963 --> 00:38:23.483
 But here in New England, of course,
 
 00:38:23.563 --> 00:38:25.025
 we have New England
 
 00:38:25.045 --> 00:38:26.806
 Historic Genealogic Society,
 
 00:38:26.885 --> 00:38:28.947
 the Massachusetts Historical Society,
 
 00:38:28.967 --> 00:38:30.947
 the American Antiquarian Society,
 
 00:38:31.688 --> 00:38:32.829
 and so many others.
 
 00:38:32.889 --> 00:38:33.750
 All of which, by the way,
 
 00:38:33.809 --> 00:38:34.969
 are partners of Revolution 250.
 
 00:38:34.969 --> 00:38:36.231
 So that's kind of the
 
 00:38:36.610 --> 00:38:40.532
 advertising part of the
 
 00:38:40.592 --> 00:38:41.693
 program out of the way.
 
 00:38:43.786 --> 00:38:46.166
 So what are the main goals
 
 00:38:46.246 --> 00:38:47.806
 for the SAR and the 250th?
 
 00:38:48.086 --> 00:38:50.327
 Do you see aside from the museum?
 
 00:38:51.387 --> 00:38:52.947
 Well, the, they,
 
 00:38:52.967 --> 00:38:54.088
 we talked about the museum.
 
 00:38:54.128 --> 00:38:54.788
 That's going to be,
 
 00:38:55.507 --> 00:38:56.648
 we consider that our gift
 
 00:38:56.668 --> 00:38:57.869
 to the nation and we're
 
 00:38:57.909 --> 00:38:59.929
 looking for soft opening in
 
 00:38:59.949 --> 00:39:01.009
 the spring of 2026.
 
 00:39:01.009 --> 00:39:03.889
 So that's the timeline we're working on.
 
 00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:05.670
 The one thing that we have
 
 00:39:05.710 --> 00:39:09.331
 decided to do with the SAR is we're
 
 00:39:11.047 --> 00:39:12.007
 Everybody and their brother
 
 00:39:12.068 --> 00:39:14.309
 is focused on 4 July 2026.
 
 00:39:14.309 --> 00:39:23.894
 We think that is just a part of S.A.R.
 
 00:39:24.474 --> 00:39:24.954
 of America 250.
 
 00:39:25.436 --> 00:39:26.016
 Yeah.
 
 00:39:26.376 --> 00:39:28.177
 So we we have we have
 
 00:39:29.657 --> 00:39:32.420
 announced or deemed a
 
 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.440
 decade of revolution.
 
 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:36.262
 So the S.A.R.
 
 00:39:36.541 --> 00:39:37.523
 is acknowledging
 
 00:39:38.849 --> 00:39:39.570
 uh, 11 years.
 
 00:39:40.150 --> 00:39:41.391
 So we started with,
 
 00:39:42.913 --> 00:39:43.693
 now we've been running a
 
 00:39:43.733 --> 00:39:45.213
 series of two 50 articles
 
 00:39:45.273 --> 00:39:46.795
 and stuff in our magazine and,
 
 00:39:47.054 --> 00:39:49.396
 and celebration since the, uh,
 
 00:39:50.277 --> 00:39:51.438
 back to the stamp act and
 
 00:39:51.478 --> 00:39:53.478
 some of the other dates that, uh,
 
 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:54.400
 preceded us,
 
 00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:56.340
 but our decade of revolution
 
 00:39:56.420 --> 00:39:57.722
 started with the Boston tea
 
 00:39:57.782 --> 00:39:59.242
 party in December.
 
 00:39:59.262 --> 00:40:03.005
 Uh, we had tea parties across the country.
 
 00:40:03.304 --> 00:40:04.266
 It wasn't just Boston.
 
 00:40:04.306 --> 00:40:06.827
 There's tea parties in Charleston.
 
 00:40:06.847 --> 00:40:06.887
 Um,
 
 00:40:09.005 --> 00:40:10.324
 Halifax, uh,
 
 00:40:10.525 --> 00:40:13.146
 different little cities in New York,
 
 00:40:13.306 --> 00:40:14.985
 Maryland, North Carolina.
 
 00:40:15.025 --> 00:40:16.025
 These are all communities
 
 00:40:16.045 --> 00:40:16.927
 that had tea parties.
 
 00:40:16.967 --> 00:40:19.967
 We actually did a, a great, uh, combined,
 
 00:40:19.987 --> 00:40:20.027
 uh,
 
 00:40:21.047 --> 00:40:22.927
 presentation with the Virginia two 50
 
 00:40:22.927 --> 00:40:24.807
 folks on all of the tea
 
 00:40:24.847 --> 00:40:27.088
 parties that we were able to share, uh,
 
 00:40:27.168 --> 00:40:28.929
 with all of the media we
 
 00:40:28.969 --> 00:40:29.949
 came into contact with
 
 00:40:30.009 --> 00:40:31.590
 during the tea party two 50th.
 
 00:40:32.610 --> 00:40:33.590
 Well, one of our, uh,
 
 00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:35.050
 one of our chapters out in
 
 00:40:35.110 --> 00:40:38.090
 Colorado had a tea party, uh,
 
 00:40:38.695 --> 00:40:39.795
 but they did it on a lake.
 
 00:40:41.077 --> 00:40:44.340
 And because the folks out
 
 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.001
 there didn't want them
 
 00:40:45.041 --> 00:40:46.181
 pouring tea into the lake,
 
 00:40:46.262 --> 00:40:48.704
 they collected leaves and
 
 00:40:48.744 --> 00:40:49.844
 crushed the leaves and put
 
 00:40:49.864 --> 00:40:51.126
 them in boxes and they did
 
 00:40:51.146 --> 00:40:52.327
 a reenactment of a tea party.
 
 00:40:52.407 --> 00:40:55.929
 It's the spirit that matters, right?
 
 00:40:56.610 --> 00:40:56.951
 It is.
 
 00:40:57.391 --> 00:40:59.914
 And we are fully on board
 
 00:40:59.954 --> 00:41:01.255
 with the decade of revolution.
 
 00:41:01.795 --> 00:41:04.137
 This year's primary event
 
 00:41:04.217 --> 00:41:05.599
 was the first Continental Congress.
 
 00:41:06.938 --> 00:41:08.679
 The secondary event was the
 
 00:41:08.798 --> 00:41:10.320
 signing of the Fairfax Resolves.
 
 00:41:10.981 --> 00:41:11.201
 Right.
 
 00:41:11.701 --> 00:41:14.262
 So we have identified two events,
 
 00:41:14.543 --> 00:41:17.264
 one tied to a location primarily,
 
 00:41:17.284 --> 00:41:17.664
 you know,
 
 00:41:18.326 --> 00:41:20.907
 because of the nature of the country,
 
 00:41:20.927 --> 00:41:21.947
 they're all on the East Coast.
 
 00:41:22.708 --> 00:41:25.710
 But we are encouraging people to,
 
 00:41:25.791 --> 00:41:27.431
 if they can't come to the
 
 00:41:27.532 --> 00:41:29.693
 site of the event and celebrate it,
 
 00:41:30.454 --> 00:41:31.894
 to reenact it in some way,
 
 00:41:31.934 --> 00:41:33.275
 shape or form where they live.
 
 00:41:34.016 --> 00:41:35.536
 So take that event and take it
 
 00:41:36.021 --> 00:41:37.141
 to their hometown and make
 
 00:41:37.181 --> 00:41:39.443
 it relevant to their communities.
 
 00:41:41.103 --> 00:41:41.824
 Next year, of course,
 
 00:41:42.244 --> 00:41:44.726
 is the Battles of Lexington
 
 00:41:44.746 --> 00:41:47.067
 and Concord as the primary.
 
 00:41:47.146 --> 00:41:48.148
 But going forward,
 
 00:41:48.788 --> 00:41:50.108
 we are projecting events
 
 00:41:50.148 --> 00:41:52.789
 all the way out through the
 
 00:41:53.150 --> 00:41:54.210
 Battle of Saratoga.
 
 00:41:54.271 --> 00:41:58.193
 We've got the Winter Valley Forge,
 
 00:42:00.735 --> 00:42:03.835
 Battle of Vincennes and
 
 00:42:03.896 --> 00:42:04.976
 Blue Licks out west.
 
 00:42:06.288 --> 00:42:07.608
 and all the way out to the
 
 00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:09.708
 anniversary of the Paris
 
 00:42:09.768 --> 00:42:12.050
 Peace Treaty in 1933.
 
 00:42:12.050 --> 00:42:13.710
 Right.
 
 00:42:14.550 --> 00:42:14.771
 Well,
 
 00:42:14.871 --> 00:42:16.490
 and I know that the Massachusetts
 
 00:42:16.510 --> 00:42:17.291
 Sons of the American
 
 00:42:17.331 --> 00:42:18.672
 Revolution do an annual
 
 00:42:19.052 --> 00:42:21.853
 Yorktown commemoration every October,
 
 00:42:21.913 --> 00:42:23.592
 which we always look forward to as well.
 
 00:42:23.632 --> 00:42:26.173
 So there is much more to this story,
 
 00:42:26.213 --> 00:42:27.074
 and I know people are
 
 00:42:27.114 --> 00:42:29.335
 excited about July 4, 2026.
 
 00:42:29.335 --> 00:42:31.974
 Of course, for us here in Massachusetts,
 
 00:42:32.376 --> 00:42:33.235
 for March 17th,
 
 00:42:33.235 --> 00:42:36.221
 2026 is our big,
 
 00:42:37.101 --> 00:42:38.282
 we drive the British out of
 
 00:42:38.342 --> 00:42:41.585
 Boston evacuation day is
 
 00:42:41.625 --> 00:42:42.865
 what it's come to be known as.
 
 00:42:43.786 --> 00:42:46.427
 So that'll be a big day for us as well.
 
 00:42:47.148 --> 00:42:48.389
 But you're right, beyond that,
 
 00:42:48.449 --> 00:42:51.952
 it's all about how the war
 
 00:42:52.012 --> 00:42:54.353
 progresses and all the work
 
 00:42:54.393 --> 00:42:56.275
 that people do to help us secure liberty.
 
 00:42:59.534 --> 00:43:00.835
 brooks thanks very much for
 
 00:43:00.855 --> 00:43:01.614
 being a guest on the
 
 00:43:01.655 --> 00:43:03.356
 revolution 250 podcast this
 
 00:43:03.396 --> 00:43:05.217
 has been tremendous I know
 
 00:43:05.237 --> 00:43:05.896
 we're going to have you
 
 00:43:05.936 --> 00:43:08.458
 back uh maybe when you uh
 
 00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:10.619
 achieve the high office uh
 
 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.161
 of of the society uh the
 
 00:43:13.181 --> 00:43:13.961
 sons of the american
 
 00:43:14.001 --> 00:43:16.402
 revolution we can um we can
 
 00:43:16.443 --> 00:43:17.804
 have a conversation from
 
 00:43:17.884 --> 00:43:19.784
 the sar oval officer or
 
 00:43:19.864 --> 00:43:21.925
 something of that elk um
 
 00:43:22.753 --> 00:43:24.315
 uh you know when we started
 
 00:43:24.355 --> 00:43:26.516
 the podcast uh which is
 
 00:43:26.597 --> 00:43:27.797
 normally hosted by bob
 
 00:43:27.898 --> 00:43:28.978
 allison who sends his
 
 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.440
 regrets to everybody uh we
 
 00:43:31.481 --> 00:43:32.702
 thought that this would be
 
 00:43:33.222 --> 00:43:34.222
 something that people here
 
 00:43:34.262 --> 00:43:35.563
 in boston or in the local
 
 00:43:35.623 --> 00:43:36.625
 community would listen to
 
 00:43:36.664 --> 00:43:37.606
 and of course now where
 
 00:43:38.445 --> 00:43:40.889
 well over 100,000 downloads,
 
 00:43:41.329 --> 00:43:46.054
 over 210 programs or so.
 
 00:43:46.074 --> 00:43:47.958
 And we have listeners from
 
 00:43:48.277 --> 00:43:48.958
 all over the world.
 
 00:43:48.998 --> 00:43:51.001
 We're heard in over 94
 
 00:43:51.001 --> 00:43:52.623
 countries at this point and
 
 00:43:53.083 --> 00:43:54.985
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 00:43:55.005 --> 00:43:56.007
 And we like to thank a few
 
 00:43:56.047 --> 00:43:56.688
 of them every week.
 
 00:43:57.347 --> 00:43:58.510
 So, you know,
 
 00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:00.012
 if you've been listening and
 
 00:44:00.532 --> 00:44:02.054
 your community is mentioned,
 
 00:44:02.135 --> 00:44:03.255
 just feel free to send me
 
 00:44:03.275 --> 00:44:07.342
 an email at jlane at revolution250.org.
 
 00:44:07.382 --> 00:44:08.322
 We'll send you a little
 
 00:44:08.402 --> 00:44:10.126
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 00:44:11.067 --> 00:44:12.449
 So today we'd like to thank
 
 00:44:12.548 --> 00:44:14.231
 our listeners in Washington, D.C.
 
 00:44:15.052 --> 00:44:18.034
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 00:44:18.153 --> 00:44:20.615
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 00:44:20.675 --> 00:44:23.237
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 00:44:23.777 --> 00:44:25.699
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 00:44:25.938 --> 00:44:27.219
 and Rio de Janeiro.
 
 00:44:28.481 --> 00:44:31.023
 Thank you to all of you and
 
 00:44:31.063 --> 00:44:32.362
 those locations and all the
 
 00:44:32.423 --> 00:44:33.304
 places in between.
 
 00:44:33.324 --> 00:44:34.065
 Thanks very much.
 
 00:44:34.965 --> 00:44:36.525
 And we look forward to
 
 00:44:36.585 --> 00:44:37.666
 seeing you next week on the
 
 00:44:37.706 --> 00:44:39.248
 Revolution 250 podcast.
 
 00:44:40.028 --> 00:44:42.070
 So stay tuned while we pipe
 
 00:44:42.110 --> 00:44:43.731
 you out on the road to Boston.